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PostSubject: Stabbing, or "How Knife-Fighting and Defense Pan Out"-video   Stabbing, or "How Knife-Fighting and Defense Pan Out"-video EmptyMon Aug 04, 2008 10:23 am

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ibGyGG3X4PI

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PostSubject: Re: Stabbing, or "How Knife-Fighting and Defense Pan Out"-video   Stabbing, or "How Knife-Fighting and Defense Pan Out"-video EmptyMon Aug 04, 2008 10:24 am

READ THIS:

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How a knife fight really looks. There are 4 different classes of observing a violent incident. Two of them identify with the Victim. The other two identify with the knife man. Read below and recognize the danger in observing this video the way you do (and judging from the comments you've probably failed already and are seeing it from class III)

IV: The socialized individual that identifies with the victim. This observation is focused completely on the realization that a man has been stabbed 13+ times... and it could easily be them. This is a common perspective, held by most people. It is exploitable, and precisely the reason that people succumb to intimidation.

III: The socially-trained fighter that recognizes the failure on the victim's part. This observation is hallmarked by comments such as "I would have done this.." or "He totally could have blocked that if he knew...".
This level of observation focuses on 'training to not be victimized'. This viewpoint is less common, but starts with self-evident failure and then tries to rectify it.

II: The socio- or psychopath. This person identifies with the knife man. They recognize success (e.g. killing a man), and will use footage or anecdotes as data to improve their own performance. As an example: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jAjB43duq4A
Stabs Blackmon 67 times. The Medical Examiner stated that 2 of those injuries were fatal. The violence-minded would watch that and see themselves as Troy Kell. Thankfully, a jury would watch that and see themselves being savaged by Kell. The sports combatant might see that and see themselves fending off Kell's accomplice and taking the knife from Kell.

I: Goal-oriented... identifying the successful person in this incident (read: stabber, not stabbee), and looking to improve upon their performance. Your goal is to see the video on the left (or in the link) and see yourself as the knife man. How can you best accomplish what they did. How can you do it better? Can you beat a 32.5:1 ratio of lethal injuries. How would you go about that? What is the goal? What is superfluous? Observing in this manner makes footage from prison riots and the nightly news informative. It provides concrete examples of successful violence, and provides a foundation to work from— a foundation that focuses on successfully using violence as a tool.


The author, publisher and others involved with the production or distribution of this program are not responsible in any manner whatsoever for damage or injury resulting from use or practice of the information presented here. Use all information at your own risk.
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from the "more info" section of the utube clip
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PostSubject: Re: Stabbing, or "How Knife-Fighting and Defense Pan Out"-video   Stabbing, or "How Knife-Fighting and Defense Pan Out"-video EmptyMon Aug 04, 2008 12:20 pm

Oh, the target focus training guys. I think they talk a lot of sense, but their training methods leave a few things to be desired. That is, the only thing they do is learn theory and go through movement sets similar to katas. Maybe like a mix between katas and the early stage beta-8 drills. (little to no combative pressure). Their theoretical take on things is pretty good and they are very good at simplifying things down to the bare bones of the concepts.

For a lazy-man's quick fix SP course type of thing it seems pretty decent though. The joint-breaking course they sell was absolute gold for making that whole thing make sense to me at a theoretical level. That and the striking course however IMO contains everything they teach. The other courses mostly serve as slightly different angles at it. For those who have itchy wallets and so on.

Anyway, the text from the youtube video seems to slide right in with the kind of mindset training of POV and supra state, judicious application of thuggery and all.
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PostSubject: Re: Stabbing, or "How Knife-Fighting and Defense Pan Out"-video   Stabbing, or "How Knife-Fighting and Defense Pan Out"-video EmptyMon Aug 04, 2008 8:55 pm

Did you spot the witty comment on the YouTube page?:

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efsq (4 months ago) I'm class 5: I identify with the cameraman.
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PostSubject: Re: Stabbing, or "How Knife-Fighting and Defense Pan Out"-video   Stabbing, or "How Knife-Fighting and Defense Pan Out"-video EmptyFri Aug 08, 2008 11:10 am

RichardB wrote:
Oh, the target focus training guys. I think they talk a lot of sense, but their training methods leave a few things to be desired. That is, the only thing they do is learn theory and go through movement sets similar to katas. Maybe like a mix between katas and the early stage beta-8 drills. (little to no combative pressure). Their theoretical take on things is pretty good and they are very good at simplifying things down to the bare bones of the concepts.

For a lazy-man's quick fix SP course type of thing it seems pretty decent though. The joint-breaking course they sell was absolute gold for making that whole thing make sense to me at a theoretical level. That and the striking course however IMO contains everything they teach. The other courses mostly serve as slightly different angles at it. For those who have itchy wallets and so on.

Anyway, the text from the youtube video seems to slide right in with the kind of mindset training of POV and supra state, judicious application of thuggery and all.

any possibility of a link to the material you are talking about?

thanks
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PostSubject: Re: Stabbing, or "How Knife-Fighting and Defense Pan Out"-video   Stabbing, or "How Knife-Fighting and Defense Pan Out"-video EmptyFri Aug 08, 2008 11:57 am

As requested:

Target-Focus training

As you can see they have a few products to choose between, but from what I have seen the 'striking series' and the 'TFT joint breaking package' pretty much cover everything they teach at this point, so the other products will mostly only provide slightly different coverages of the same material. It might be useful to know this if you have an interest in their material because it's rather expensive.
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RichardB wrote:
As requested:

Target-Focus training

As you can see they have a few products to choose between, but from what I have seen the 'striking series' and the 'TFT joint breaking package' pretty much cover everything they teach at this point, so the other products will mostly only provide slightly different coverages of the same material. It might be useful to know this if you have an interest in their material because it's rather expensive.

thank you.

that style of write up/advert they use like this:

http://tftjointbreaking.com/

is one i commonly see in magazines. i don't know why, but it always makes me think that it lacks credibility, it's hard to explain. just seems like those ads are trying to sell you a "become a killing machine and pull all the chicks for only £300" type of thing.
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PostSubject: Re: Stabbing, or "How Knife-Fighting and Defense Pan Out"-video   Stabbing, or "How Knife-Fighting and Defense Pan Out"-video EmptyThu Aug 28, 2008 11:15 pm

I love this vid - I have it marked as a favourite on my channel,
http://ca.youtube.com/profile?user=DefendYourself101

Ted

My neighbour found out her dog could hardly hear so she took it to the veterinarian.

He found that the problem was hair in its ears so he cleaned both ears and the dog could hear fine. The vet then proceeded to tell my neighbor that if she wanted to keep this from re-occurring she should go to the store and get some 'Nair' hair remover and rub it in her dog's ears once a month.

So she goes to the drug store and gets some 'Nair' hair remover. At the register the druggist tells her: 'If you're going to use this under your arms don't use deodorant for a few days.'

She says 'I'm not using it under my arms.'

The druggist says: 'If you're using it on your legs don't shave for a couple of days.'

She says 'I'm not using it on my legs either; if you must know, I'm using it on my Schnauzer.'

The druggist says: 'Stay off your bicycle for a week.'
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