Swine Flu Part 2.

Last week my fiancee was feeling a little ill... headache, achy all over... With rest and some Cold FX (boosts the immunie system) she was better in about 3 days. I started to get whatever she had myself but also decided to get lots of rest and take some Cold FX too and I fought it off in about a day maybe 2...

Fast forward to this week she was having some serious abdominal pain. She goes ot the ER at the Hospital to be seen. The place is ridiculously over crowded with people sick with the dreaded swine flu. She puts on a mask and waits 6 hours to be seen by a doctor while hoping for the best, that she doesn't get the swine flu too.

Once seen by the doctor they do a blood test and ultrasound for her stomach. Turns out she tore a muscle ... we're both sure it was from the day before when she went all out at the gym doing sit-ups... poor girl.

The blood test also revealed something else...

dun dun dun...

She's already had the dreaded Swine Flu, and now has a natural immunity to it. Apparently I have too.

Wait a second Doc, "you mean that pesky little annoying thing we both fought off last week was, in fact, the dreaded second coming of the bubonic plague...aka, The Swine Flu?"

"Yepp"

According to the ER doc, the Swine Flu is the ONLY flu going around... in other words, it's the Seasonal flu. Also, in his words "it's no more dangerous than any bad flu, just different since this strain hasn't been seen in about 50 years."

So that's why it doesn't affect the elderly nearly as much.

36,000 people in the US alone die each year from the seasonal flu.

I never get flu shots... and I don't think I will any time soon. I don't have any underlying chronic health problems that could complicate from getting the flu. I do feel that peple at high risk for severe complications should be vaccinated, children too etc, but the hype over this "KILLER FLU" is just incredible.

Where's my tinfoil hat now...

so what's REALLY in the vaccine that the government is so hyper about us all receiving in a fearful, cowed, manner?

www.theflucase.com

Thanks Sharif.

Nice posts... Can't let a good crisis go to waste. I wonder what new powers homeland security might get with this. WE MUST ACT NOW....! EeeeeeK!

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Sure thats right, this is just one more big govt conspiracy to force socialism on america.The govt shouldnt provide vaccines? Who should? the corporations who will only give it to those who can pay? What is it with these blinkered paranoid fools like ron paul,we are dealing with hundreds of millions of people, this isnt the country doctors office where people could pay with eggs.These guys are living in some kind of paranoid shut down la la land,who else but the govt can see to these things?

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I think there are nano bots in there as well... it has to be true because I read it on the internets




P.s. Funny how dangerous mercury is and it's in many vaccines.

Sharif H wrote:

Danite wrote:

The govt shouldnt provide vaccines? Who should? the corporations ...

You think there's a difference?

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-1176743/Donald-Rumsfelds-controversial-links-drug-company-Tamiflu.html

And that's from the mainstream media by the way, no tinfoil hats there.



Oh and DMB - I hope your fiance makes a quick recovery my friend. A high protein diet and Vit C and Zinc will speed up the process

Thanks buddy I will pass that along

Sharif, the point is, how then do we see the welfare of the masses of people in these cases? Fact is millions take these things every year and for most there is no problem, we are dealing with a mass phenomena, and yes the their is a difference between govt and corporations in this case, the govt will serve all who need it, the coprs will cut you out over money.

With you Danite.

I expect a reactionary backlash to this bit so please those of you from the USA take a breath after reading this.

You dont live in a wild & dangerous frontier of the New World anymore.....You live in a first world country, the or one of the richest in the world with a HUGE population, made up of thousands of different ethnicities all considering themselves American.

As a nation you are over 230 years old & you had as a doctrine of freedom the declaration of independence for all that time (excluding coloured people & women & a few others).

You hold yourself up to the modern world as a place of freedom & liberty which should be copied globally.

So start living it up to it. You think the Columbine Shootings & all the other school, workplace, malls, eatery massacres are abberations? They are not, yes they happen elsewhere but never to the extent of the United States.

Why?

Because you preach independence & the God given right to do what you want as a free american, with out thought it would appear for any other citizens right to the same thing.

If every one in America is a winner, the best in the world, the "can do attitude" (& actually it is one of the things I like most about you all ) Then to be a LOSER is to not be a true american, to fail, as all imperfect humans do, cannot be countenanced. & it cant be your fault. Someone is to blame. & they must be punished. This imho directly links to the recent discussion on shame & how anything is acceptable to avoid or nullify it.

I link this to your current anger over healthcare. Looking after each other is not Socialism, it is what tribes do!!

I am immensely pleased to live in a country with the level of free medical care we have. I personally would not be either walking or still have a working left eye without it. I am happy to pay taxes towards it. Some Conservative twat from the UK comes over & tells you its terrible & the worst thing ever & will bankrupt the country. BOLLOCKS!!! Your health is the MOST PRECIOUS thing you have. The Health of a nation will help that nation mature & grow & develop. that conservative nob end is unlikely to have ever seen the inside of an NHS hospital unless it was to get his stomach pumped after a drinking binge at Oxbridge. He will have a level of private healthcare, claimed as part of his MP's expenses that the majority of the UK could only dream about.

Basically, if you feel you live in such a Great Country then understand that what makes it great is each and everyone of you working together.

Your current president whatever the rumblings, worked his way up to be the man he is today, your last one was born into a family that could afford to support a self absorbed ignorant boobie.

Be the best you can be & help everyone else to achieve that too. Be one big tribe America, so that oneday all nations can join together & we can all be one Big Tribe of Earth


End of rant..........

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Sharif my friend, yes I agree there are many issues out there, and like you I dont like alot of what I see.However I do not believe their is a cabal per se hiding in the shadows controlling the govt.What I believe is that power connects to power.So yes there is often a too close for comfort relationship between the govt and private power of various kinds.However you raise the issue of who the govt gets the vaccines from.Well we have a market sysytem , it is left to the private sector to produce the vaccines, would you rather have it done by the govt which you dont trust at all? The govt is not perfect but the demoratic govt is the only power people have to check and balance private power, and for all its foibles , in the west democratic govt does a good job overall in protecting the public good.I dont see the govt as an enemy, sometimes it is not as steadfast a friend I would like it to be and sometimes even plays the whore, but it is my only protection form the crocodiles in silk suits cruising the halls of corporate power the way kimodo dragon prowls the under brush.Regards

Black ops I agree with what you have to say.I am a buisness man and as such I am into capitalism etc, however there are certain things that must be beyond money like education and health care.All must have equal access to quality in both.Inequality is a function of any complex society, however this doesnt mean all shouldnt be able to live a fully human life.This means the govt must be an organising and directing force in these matters, for if not them then who? The democratic govt for all its faults is the Peoples only friend, if not for our power to chose our govt and the powers that it uses on our behalf, we would be back in a charles dickens novel with children pulling carts of coal like donkeys.I am into capitalism but like all things if people are left "free" to do whatever they want, many wont but many will.There must be a balance.

I'm seriously intrigued. What evidence? The vid?

& incidentally, is the sky going to fall in on our heads?

The conspiracy that the rich want to stay rich? The conspiracy that the world has been continually at war for well over a century, that though the battlefields & soldiers & those in charge change but that the fight for resources & by extension power continue?
Its all lizards anyway.

PS I believe Kennedy was refering to the communist system not the CIA.

'It has been said that democracy is the worst form of government except all the others that have been tried.'
Sir Winston Churchill
British politician (1874 - 1965)

Danite, you beauty, I was going to say that. I forgot to add it.

Maija, even more beautiful , who can argue with Winnie

Sharif, the reason that Governments overreact to health scares is very similar to the matrix video that Maija posted last week on why we should act on Global warming. Because the consequences of not acting, if a worst case scenario should happen are truly horrific.

& in the case of a pandemic like Spanish Flu, 50,000,000 estimated deaths, worldwide,in 1917/1918 before the introduction of cheap travel & hopping halfway round the globe in 24 hours as we can today.

That is the fear.

Do you think Smallpox was a minor irritant? That the Great pox, syphilis was a minor STD?

That the Black Death was just something that happened in the past?

And while health is on the agenda & because I am seriously interested, you will be having your son vaccinated, wont you?

And i assume that you had vaccinations before you travelled to the Phillipines? I assume that Ritchie has.

Bugs strive to live as much as you do. & they have advantages of reproduction rate , that you do not. & unfortunately we & they and everything alive, lives in a world where survival is at the expense of other organisms.

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I can't to do the quotes thing. So bear with me.

Do you think, having spoken with us all as you have before that we are all reliant only on the current media & govt, to provide our information. i would say that most people on here are widely knowledgeable on a whole host of topics that are not usually covered through just the news, Govt advice or interweb.

Secondly, I like empirical evidence. I feel it is fundamental for me to have a reasonable view that something is the truth, and the evidence will sway me in that direction. If it can be demonstrably supported 99.9% of the time then I will tend to trust it.

Incidentally. I'm not fighting you. This is a discussion, not an attack


The reason I ask about vaccination, is because it directly links to the question of health & no offence but I have yet to google the original video that you put up & Identify the chap speaking. What sort of MD is/was he? An American private practice doctor complaining that the govt might involve themselves in his business? Even if he was a senator.

On MMR have you looked at the evidence? There have been very large & comprehensive studies since the original hoo-haa, which have shown pretty conclusively that MMR is 99.9% safe & has no link to autism. (99.9% is pretty standard for all medicines, its not a perfect world & nothing can be guaranteed 100%)

the safety of MMR doesnt seem to be that well known though, does it? I watched some daft bitch from GMTV blathering about the dangers on Question Time a little while ago so you obviously support some mainstream media, mate cos your in agreement with them.

& mainstream media pushed the panic. But has done little to push the truth.

Vaccination saves lives. It allowed us to remove smallpox from the natural world & if you want to find out about the dangers of disease, research that one in particular.

Vaccination protects populations by stopping outbreaks emanating non-vaccinated people. Non-vaccinated people put populations at risk from virulent pathogens by carrying them & introducing them to the young, the old & the week.

Find someone in their late 50,s & ask them about polio. But that was in the past right? Couldnt happen now?

The reason that we all have such long & healthy lives in the western world is a lot to do with vaccination, as a self defence instructor surely you must see that prevention is better than a cure.

And you can post all the vids you like & I will watch them BUT that is not evidence. It is opinion & usually very poorly backed up evidence wise, desperately trying to create links between disparate things which apart from being on the same planet, are in no way related.

We are not communicating on different levels, we are communicating on the same level, we are just seeing things differently.

Or maybe your right....& I am trapped in the matrix, providing power for the machines.

I would certainly be very interested in where you get your information from.

Hope we are still cool



Matt

& ill tell yu where i got the name from (Blakops) at some point. It is a very dull story

Holy crap.... this was from a seasonal shot

Wow, that's scary. I was planning on taking the little one for the H1N1 shot today. The local health department finally got a shipment of the vaccine, available only to children and at-risk people. I don't usually do seasonal flu shots because they're just guessing as to which strain will show up that year, but since this is specifically for H1N1 and we've had cases diagnosed in the area, I thought I'd take him. That video is giving me pause, though.

Sharif, it might help if you told us who you think is really "in charge".Who is the force in the shadows controlling things without our knowledge?

A horrible freak occurence. Did I say 99.9% safe? I think I did.

Personally, I would not take the flu vaccine because I am not in the at risk group. If you have kids........well, I guess it is a personal choice. Depends on their age & general health, & what you judge the risk to be as a parent.

I am wondering why a young & fit young women had the shot anyway? Still awful for her, she has my sympathy.

Now Roadkill, can we have some vids of traffic accidents to prove all cars are deadly