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PostSubject: HOME INVASION? TRAINING FOR...   Sun Nov 15, 2009 5:57 pm

FUNNY [DON'T HAVE MUCH TIME ACTUALLY--WAITING FOR LUNCH AT MY MOTHER-IN-LAWS ON
A COMPUTER THAT'S AS RESPONSIVE AS MY GRAN HAVING A NAP]

IN SHORT:
NIGHT BEFORE LAST, THEY TRIED TO BREAK INTO OUR GARAGE--WHICH WE'VE MADE INTO A CARRIAGE
HOUSE...AND MY MOTHER IN LAW SLEEPS.

LAST NIGHT I TOOK THIS MEASURES,
-PHONE BY THE BED
-MY PIT BULL WITH HER
-GROUND FLOOR LIGHTS ON
-MACHETE BY MY DOOR [HIDDEN SO AS NOT TO BE A BENEFIT TO ANYONE BUT MYSELF Laughing{IMPORTANT TO MAKE A GOOD FIRST IMPRESSION}
-KEYS IN VARIOUS PLACES TO FACILITATE A STRONG RESPONSE
-HOUSE SHOES ON--WORN TO BED

SORT OF EXPECTED TO HAVE TO ENGAGE ON SOME LEVEL LAST NIGHT--INTUITION OF SORTS

COPS IN THE ALLEY LAST NIGHT, MUCH OF THE NIGHT--PRESUMED A NEIGHBOR HAD TO DEAL WITH
SOMETHING AND/OR SOMEONE WAS STOPPED IN THE ACT OF BREAKING IN. WE HAVE BARS ON ALL THE
DOORS, ETC...BUT I'VE NOT GIVEN MUCH THOUGHT TO THIS STUFF BECAUSE OF SAID BARS.
NOW I'M CONSIDERING THINGS. THE MOST HELPFUL THING TO ME WAS GOING THROUGH A 'SP' BEFORE
GOING TO SLEEP.

ANYONE THINK ALONG THIS LINES, AND TRAIN ALONG THESE LINES. A BLIND SPOT FOR ME--THE IDEA OF
WAKING AND GOING INTO ACTION. I THOUGHT BETWEEN MY DOG AND THE BARS, I DIDN'T REALLY HAVE
MUCH TO WORRY ABOUT--UNDER THE PRETENSE OF 'INCREASING THE PERCEPTION OF RISK'. BUT I DIDN'T
FACTOR IN THE 'CARRIAGE HOUSE'.

I WAS SO AMPED LAST NIGHT, I WAS ALMOST DISAPPOINTED THIS MORNING--I KNOW THAT SOUNDS STRANGE
BUT IT'S NOT REALLY WHEN YOU FIRE YOURSELF UP TO RESPOND STRONGLY.

I'M GLAD ULTIMATELY--DUH, BUT IT GOT ME THINKING ABOUT STUFF HOME-INVASION RELATED scratch

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PostSubject: Re: HOME INVASION? TRAINING FOR...   Sun Nov 15, 2009 6:51 pm

Good topic.

BTW, I used to hang knives under unused jackets in the hallway by my door with these magnetic knife rails.



Home invasions are bad situations. I think the first battle-line is deterrence. Like why do they break in one place and not another? Seems to me like a combination of:

1 - They percieve riches

2 - It looks easy.

Fixing that gets rid of most scum. I think that'll mostly be something relative to the other houses in sight, rather than something fixed.

Then comes making it very hard to get in UNDETECTED. Gravel walkways make a lot of sound. Good lighting. A good dog. An alarm system. Heck, even if you didn't have doors on a house, simply making sure any forced entry will make a lot of noise is a priority. If all it does is alert you to what's going on, that can go a long way. And of course they MAY get startled and run as well.

Then, making it very hard to get physically indoors uninvited. Tall concrete walls with spikes on top, a moat, minefield... What a Face

...err. Anything that is a physical barrier, and that will take a lot of time and effort to get through. Strong doors, you've got the bars. Good locks, although they should never be relied on entirely, because of "lock-bumping." http://www.metacafe.com/watch/498491/lock_bumping_in_the_news_san_francisco_3/

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PostSubject: Re: HOME INVASION? TRAINING FOR...   Sun Nov 15, 2009 11:46 pm

I like these things



It's a shock to the system when you open a door or window and one of these little feckers goes off. Bearing in mind that a burglar is already full of adrenaline and fear and that stealth is his weapons of choice...
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PostSubject: Re: HOME INVASION? TRAINING FOR...   Mon Nov 16, 2009 12:32 am

we definitely think as one mind. after 12 yrs of security, i sort of worked out that increasing perceptions of
risk and being surprizingly agressive at the onset went a long way.

i told my m-in-law {Shar] that noise [like your picture of the contact alarm] and light mattered, mostly because
i had a habit of thinking like a leopard
when i used to 'hunt' thieves in my retail store. surprize mattered. cover mattered. i saw the affects of surprize.
i liked the analogy because i knew something about real leopards--how they hate suburban neighborhoods with
yappy terriors in the yard [in africa obviously] because their cover is blown...raises the hairs on their neck, etc...

RichB, i like your knife set up. my front door is heavily fortified. my back is the one to the carriage house garage.
so greatfully [as i have kids] my kitchen is next to the back door with it's safety kid latches for under the sink.
that's where my machete is. and if ever there is a question...i don't pull out anything i don't intend on using. this
one isn't the sharpest thing, but it carries a terror factor, and the thin'ness of it can break a bone with a good swing.

i'm used to d.c. not having gun rights--it does now but i'm not really into balancing a hidden pistol with kids about.
i feel like i'd be on fire with forward drive and agro with something like a bolo, kuhkri, or machete...so there it is.

i'm still amped to no end. i'm not into property in that american 'mine' way [no offense]. but my fence extends to
my quarters as my kids live there, end of...

i sort already put myself in a state feel that berserker blessing--assuming anything could happen [me or them] so
what the fook do i have to lose going full out. that's my mind set just now. me, him, them, all of us...whatever.
come into my house, and get the showing of a lifetime. fooking cunts--sorry. not usually this angry. it's floating
with me and not leaving. i assumed correctly about their return as my 'in-law' never made a report. i figured
but didn't want to bring it up--that it would pass as an attempt failed but un'noticed. they gave up, but went next
door i reckon. probably not going to come again, at least for a while as the police showing last night was significant.

but i have to wonder what would have happened to my m-in-law if...some small woman in her little house. obviously
i don't share my views with my family but i'm pretty sure what might have happened.

got to go play dad/husband/clean-up/etc....balance those hats. keep everything packaged.

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PostSubject: Re: HOME INVASION? TRAINING FOR...   Mon Nov 16, 2009 2:23 pm

lets face it. when it comes to home invasion type themes, one has to think of where
one is most vulnerable, right?

embarassingly, i used to use the loo with the lights off--as the fan would otherwise automatically
turn on and drown out sound so that i wouldn't hear anything but the fan. i live to use all of my
senses. i say used to, because my surroundings are more armoured now with my pitbull, bars, etc...
i used to have a small blade in the pocket of my pajamas [really sweat pants]. light slippers that
pass as shoes, etc...

got rid of my 357 smith and wesson, because i could imagine things going wrong without the time
to practice those skills.`hand cannon with alot of kick + people in a house = uncertainty.

ironically, getting back into this mindset makes me sleep easier. i never would have thought it.
sort of keeping my guard up at all times--mid point, semi relaxed. then when things infiltrate my
subconscious enough, probably allowing myself breathing space to have it be a triggered automatic
as it is with my hands. i am quite relaxed by comparison with all things on the street--whether realistically
or not, because i routinely exhaust my game plan and know not to expect any more from myself.

now my learning curve starts with my house SP.

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PostSubject: Re: HOME INVASION? TRAINING FOR...   Mon Nov 16, 2009 3:18 pm

Sucks when these kinds of things happen, and it sets your mind into constant uneasiness. Like has already been mentioned, a variety of early warning devices are quite helpful.

Having various weapons caches around the house is also a good idea. We just have to keep in mind that they are helpers and not necessarily be dependent on them. Meaning you forgo the attack them now because you wanted to get the blade mentality. I have fallen into that when training before. People tend to ignore the fact that any weapon is merely an extension of the body.

Guns… I like’em and have enough to take care of any zombie attack that may come my way. But like you said, when there are kids, it can be vary dangerous. Besides lets say you get one and follow all the safety precautions to safeguard your child and now it takes too long to obtain it for practical defensive purposes.

RichardB… Love that magnetic knife rail. Never seen that before, I will have to look into those… pretty clool.

You are not alone in your thought process of securing your home. To me it’s no different than training in any other tactic.

Try this… Next time you get up in the middle of the night to relieve yourself. Clear your home… meaning be as quiet as possible in what ever light you have and check the house for intruders, every room and dark corner. Practice slicing the pie as it's called. you can find a description of it here, covers corners and doorways http://www.wikihow.com/Clear-a-Building-with-a-Firearm It helps in determining what ways would be best to do that. Yes I have done that several times and with various weapons. You’d be surprised what you might learn. Commence laughing…
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PostSubject: Re: HOME INVASION? TRAINING FOR...   Mon Nov 16, 2009 3:53 pm

Good topic for discussion Russ, possibly worth bearing in mind that you did prevent a further break-in and as such you were successful?

Sharif, I use those door alarms you just illustrated. They scare the crap out of ME when I forget they're on, so hopefully would put the shits up a burglar.

Me and the gf have a room in the attic, with a door at the bottom of the flight of stairs. Our exit could be that way, or up onto the slate roof via the low skylights. Sounds dangerous but with enough adrenaline (and a pink dressing gown) I think it'd be a peice of cake.

We have a fairly quiet street and I sleep with the skylights open.

I've always presumed that i'd be able to any hear windows being broken into but could anyone comment?


PS. If I have to turn on a light in the night (never) I close one eye so that I still have half my night-vision afterwards. It takes 40 mins to get it fully back once destroyed, as far as i'm aware. Obviously it's not a linear thing though.
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PostSubject: Re: HOME INVASION? TRAINING FOR...   Mon Nov 16, 2009 5:03 pm

nice link Roadkill, i like the course this is going--i'm actually glad this happened for it's
learning curve potential without anyone being hurt.

Mike, the link had this
"Allow your eyes to adjust. Your best "accessory" is your own body. If something happens while you are sleeping, your eyes are already adjusted, but if something happens and you are around light (but you must go into a dark area) be sure you let your eyes adjust before you proceed(this can take up to 30 minutes for your eyes to fully adjust). "

regarding what you mentioned...i hadn't thought of it, good idea.

my other angle is to do all this mildly on the sly. my family thinks i'm crazy enough because either they didn't
grow up with risks or they were in denial over it [i should say my 'in-law' family]. that's why the machete under
the sink. i don't even think my wife knows it's there, or she's forgotten about it from way back if she does.

i like the natural weapons that don't set off too many alarm bells for my potentially skeptical family--like my cooking knives
in the kitchen [bonus: by the back door]. i have one of those magnetic racks but it makes the knives in plain view [doh!] so
i think i have to rely on of the way area out of reach.

thanks for the tip [Roadkill] about not getting into the 'reach for it at the expense of fighting back' mentality. it was the reason
i stopped carrying knives in the first place. now, my little skinning knife in my pocket is the only unsexy shank i carry. i try to forget about it, so i don't get all attached. but remember it enough to know it can flick open really easily. i think i need some to stick at to know for sure how i'd use it. i always assumed my old sensibilities--a slash at the neck vein/face, but i should think about some shank style thrusts.

okay, late for a class

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PostSubject: Re: HOME INVASION? TRAINING FOR...   Mon Nov 16, 2009 5:13 pm

Mention of eyes adjusting… Arrr… Pirate patch. I have read and saw on Mythbusters about that’s why Pirates wore a patch. When they boarded a ship and when they went below deck they would move the patch to the other eye and now have night vision abilities… Kinda cool when you think about it.
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PostSubject: Re: HOME INVASION? TRAINING FOR...   Mon Nov 16, 2009 7:19 pm

The only guns I have experience with are the kind that shoot suction cup darts. However, I've entertained the thought of getting a paintball gun for home defense. I'm told getting hit by a paintball hurts, and there are some that do automatic fire. What do those of you with paintball experience think?

As far as melee weapons go, this scene from Kill Bill shows nifty use of the frying pan starting around 1:35:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=u1OepCa3SZw

I've got a cast iron skillet about that size, and it's way too heavy for me to swing around as fast as they're going in that scene. I do have a smaller one (about the right size to fry a single egg in) that I could use should a trained ninja assassin come after me.

For some suggestions on intruder-proofing your home:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=90FR8m-zEH4
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PostSubject: Re: HOME INVASION? TRAINING FOR...   Mon Nov 16, 2009 7:37 pm

roadkill wrote:
Mention of eyes adjusting… Arrr… Pirate patch. I have read and saw on Mythbusters about that’s why Pirates wore a patch. When they boarded a ship and when they went below deck they would move the patch to the other eye and now have night vision abilities… Kinda cool when you think about it.


did mythbusters say it was true roadkill? pirat
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PostSubject: Re: HOME INVASION? TRAINING FOR...   Mon Nov 16, 2009 7:44 pm

Interesting suggestion Karuna, from experience it bl**dy hurts to get hit by a paintball gun (especially where the skin is thin on the head) but once they realise it isn't real I think it would work in their favour in terms of confidence.

Sorry for not going on the link Roadkill, I was having an in-depth discussion with my gf about overpopulation of the world. Priorities, priorities. lol!



PS. Very good link to home-alone to whoever posted it (I forget scratch ).
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PostSubject: Re: HOME INVASION? TRAINING FOR...   Mon Nov 16, 2009 8:22 pm

Pirate patch portion starts at 1:30... Yes it really works...