Interesting observations about thugs mindset..

Hi guys,
How is everybody? I'm not really a big poster anymore, just doing my own training and stuff.. thought i'd just add something every now and then. Just a little experience that shows you about the 'thuggish mindsetTM".. (As trademarked by Richie)

So last night me and 2 friends planned to go out about 45 minutes away. One of them asked if these other guys could come, one worked with him and the other this guys friend.

These other guys seemed okay.. I barely knew them but it was a chance to increase my circle of friends.

We went to the nightclub, at one stage I went to the toilet and heard all this noise when I come out there was a bit of a fight and security ejected a few people. When I went back to my friends I mentioned this and one of the new guys I brought down said "We will proably end up in a fight later (meaning him and his friend) because I will make a dickhead of myself on the dancefloor".

I didn't know how serious he was but I said to him "I don't want you to play up here because I know the guys working" (Ive worked with them before). And he just said ok and walked off.

Anyway after me and my friends (when I mention my friends, I don't mean these new guys who come with us). Went and stood near the dancefloor observing the place. And seen these 2 guys on the dancefloor, one was bumping into everybody on purpose and then the other come up all proud of himself "I just headbutted that guy" and pointed somebody out. The guy looked really worried and upset and wasn't the kind of guy who would of done anything about it.. and I really started thinking "these guys I brought here are real fucking idiots". I started subtly saying "why are you doing that to innocent people, sure I will fight if I have a good reason but I could never go up to innocent people and try to start them".. they just thought it was funny.

A few minutes later I seen him go up and headbutt someone else, he kind of took a run up and headbutted him in the shoulder, obviously wanting a reaction. He didn't get an overt reaction but I predicted everything.. observed the other guys friends, and seen him going up to other people. What these idiots were too stupid to realize is that they would of got destroyed and were way outnumbered. I went up to the guy he headbutted and he was understandably on edge. I said "Hey man, I barely know those guys, but I drove them down and I don't want them to cause any trouble so if they come and annoy you again, let me know and I will deal with them".. I don't think he took it serious in the state he was in.

I then said to these 2 guys I brought down "If you start something you are on your own, i'm not jumping in to bail you out".

I went to the toilet and come back and one of my friends was talking down a guy from the other guys group of friends, obviously these idiots kept at it... not long after a bit of a group gathered and they went up wanting to fight them not caring they were outnumbered.. my friend went over to stop them pulled one of them away and I said to the group of guys "I am getting rid of them" and nearly had them shape up to me, but I think they got the point and calmed down.. my friend walked one of them out the door and the other tried to go over to the group of guys again. I pushed him and said "if you fucking go and start a fight over there you are walking home".. he got upset with me but understood I was serious and I said "were going" and walked out with him and told the security guy I know what was going on and that I was getting rid of the troublemakers and he was happy with that.

Out the front I looked at them seriously and said "If you guys ever come out with me again and start shit you are walking home, I hate that kind of behaviour and when someone starts fights with innocent people".. they tried to laugh it off but my other friend who knows me well said "guys he is serious" and they shut up and didn't say anything the whole trip home.

One thing that pissed me off was that I would have ended up in the middle of it because the other group of guys just assumed I was going to help those guys and were looking at me and sizing me up too.. just because they were seen to be hanging around me. I will not put my safety and reputation at stake for idiots like these and let them know what I thought.

I said to my friends i'm never taking those guys anywhere again and we were all in agreeance with each other.

This whole thing gave me a look at things from another angle, usually i'm working and seeing this stuff in a different way. These idiots were totally oblivious to the situation and didn't realize they would of got hurt bad, and just thought the whole thing was funny. It definately showed me more about the mindset of people who go out to clubs to start fights and will help when I do security work.

They really don't care who they fight, they just find it funny pushing innocent people around and don't seem to worry about the consequences or maybe don't even notice..

It makes me think if there wasn't idiots like this around, the security industry would go out of business.

I am picky with my circle of friends.. every now and then I hang out with new people to see what their like, and several times choose to not associate with them again.. these 2 guys I will not be taking anywhere or hanging out with again.

-Ben

Hi Ben,
I'm impressed with your story in a couple different ways -
1) That you dealt with the situation in the way that you did - calm, rational etc
2) That you view the experience as a learning experience for your job - giving you insights into the guys that are causing problems.
Nice!

Have read your past posts with interest Ben & the same thoughtful individual comes across in this one.
Well done for your behaviour with this situation. & well done for calling them on it.

i assume they were acting in this manner because your original friends had bigged up your previous work & experiences.

I think you did well mate. If it had of got any more out of hand, I would have just walked out, driven home and left them there. fuck 'em. I'm sure you would have done the same. Definitely not worth getting in a fight over their stupidity.

Good job.

Thanks for sharing that man... Interesting and thought provoking... Thanks

nice work mate...tricky situation if you hadn't been so grounded to start with.
solid values really help--good SP foundation

Good job keeping things from getting too stupid...you did those two a favor I don't think they can fully appreciate.

Interesting how people who like to start crap prefer to do it "45 minutes away" instead of in their own back yard. Losers.

i didn't have time to write this earlier, but it's also really important to your psychological game to get rid of all
the shit'heads you WOULD NOT desire backing up when it DOES happen, because it will.

it took me several years to lose those types early on in my life. that you've done this already is HUGE

The worst thing is that they didn't take responsibility for themselves.. They made you responsible for them by association, which you couldn't do anything about.

Russ the Muss wrote:

i didn't have time to write this earlier, but it's also really important to your psychological game to get rid of all
the shit'heads you WOULD NOT desire backing up when it DOES happen, because it will.

it took me several years to lose those types early on in my life. that you've done this already is HUGE

Word

When I was in my mid thirties I sat down one day and took a good look at things,I did a major clean up in many ways, and have lived much better and freer ever since.