Motivation for RBSD and Fitness.. ?

Hey guys,
This question is mainly to Richie, but others input might help too.

I am having problems with motivation at the moment. For like the last 6 months training hasn't been consistent. I might find somebody who wants to train and it lasts a few sessions, or I do a few solo sessions every now and then. I even went to the boxing gym a little bit. And when I go and do it I love it. But my mind stops me from consistently going, I lose motivation etc. and I don't know why, I used to train full on and got to quite a high skill level. But I know i've lost alot of it and put on alot of weight so I want to do something about it.

Now the training would either be solo or every now and then when I find someone to train with in my shed. But thats better than any class around here, its only stuff like karate, aikido, hapkido which I don't like at all, i've tried all of the above.

I was driven, motivated, passionate, focused with my training a few years ago, I don't know what happened. I'm tying several things like EFT at the moment to try to sort it out.

The reason I am posting this here and asking Richie about it is because of his processes on the psychology of violence cd's.

I listened to the cd's and did the process a few times one day, this was about a year ago. And it was very powerful. It helped alot with fear, aggression and even though I haven't trained alot lately. When I get into a situation at work I find myself able to react explosively and my past training come out and be on top of them before they know whats going on. I know this edge was due to the psychology of violence cd's. In fact I am a bit scared to do the processes again even after all this time because for a while it did attract alot of aggression until it balanced out and I have felt changes in myself when I am in confrontations that help me to deal with it.

Anyway my point is, I feel if what I did from those cd's were that powerful. That if Richie made a cd on motivation for RBSD training and fitness aswell then they would be a great help to me and many other people.

I am currently on a mission to reclaim my passion and motivation (that I know is inside me, because i've had it before) so any advice would be great.



-Ben

Hi mate

I'm afraid I don't have any answers but I think you raise a good point. I've been through phases when I've been to classes 3-4 times a week as well as my personal fitness and conditioning and then had periods where I run out of enthusiasm and would go once a week or even take a break.

It's hard to figure out why sometimes you can't do enough training and other times you just don't really want to. It's make me wonder if I am really serious about training. I guess I go by the yardstick of seeing how I feel if I miss a session. Do I feel guilty for not going or do I not really care? I guess that shows me whether I should have gone or not.

Like you, I have been using the psychology of violence CDs. I only got them a week or so ago but I was running the visualisations last night and could feel my arms or legs twitch so I must be getting better at them/going deeper.

I always thought they would help but the technology is more effective than I thought. Perhaps if we use the visualisations to see ourselves getting excited about training and enjoying the process and the results it will help? Could be worth a try.

Good luck mate. I am sure Richie or some of the other experienced guys will be able to help.

sort of incubating i reckon. like the spiritual 'dark night of the soul' when everything's feeling like it plateaud and you're looking for new vigor. i think (personally) when that happens, it's good to simplify. give yourself some short-but-sweet all out efforts. just my humble two cents. i went down to two a week for a time, that dealt with my absolute minimum that i wanted from myself. when the energy (emotional/or whatever) came back, i built on that foundation.

not a Richie answer---just something that's worked for me and several friends. Richie's will be better. but this is sometimes what people need.

One thought I was having (and this isn't specifically aimed at Ben, more inspired by the question) is if you're in a town where you've trained with all the active martial artists, then you probably live in an area where RBSD might not need to be such a huge focus. If however you live in a huge metropolis and there's a serious chance you might face a life threatening situation, there are more likely to be good RBSD practitioners for you to work with.

In my case, I live in a town of about 40,000 and to my knowledge, run the only RBSD type group in the area. There's plenty of TKD/Karate/Kickboxing classes with "self defence" on the posters, but we know that's not the same thing.
Now I do live close to big cities that I visit frequently, such as Nottingham. Much bigger city with it's own particular violent crime problems. I know of several very serious self protection practitioners in Nottingham. So I guess it's all relative.

If you do live in a smaller town but aren't interested in learning martial arts from a taditional perspective (a perfectly respectable hobby, just not one of mine) I'd say getting into a full contact kickboxing / thai boxing group, ot even boxing. Benjamin, for example, has sometimes come across as a guy that likes a ruck. Stepping in the boxing ring 4 or 5 times a year will service that drive. Being a good boxer doesn't make you worse at protecting yourself in the streets, it just doesn't cover all the bases. But as I said, if you're in a relatively safe suburbia, it might not need to.

Just a few thoughts, which as I say, aren't personal, but might be food for thought

ello, sorry Ive been a bit remiss answering questions but Ive been researching secret styles in the misty mountains of wu tang and carrying out confidential training contracts for specialist LE units in America... and stuff

Benjamin

good question

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I was driven, motivated, passionate, focused with my training a few years ago, I don't know what happened. I'm tying several things like EFT at the moment to try to sort it out.

The reason I am posting this here and asking Richie about it is because of his processes on the psychology of violence cd's.

I listened to the cd's and did the process a few times one day, this was about a year ago. And it was very powerful. It helped alot with fear, aggression and even though I haven't trained alot lately. When I get into a situation at work I find myself able to react explosively and my past training come out and be on top of them before they know whats going on. I know this edge was due to the psychology of violence cd's. In fact I am a bit scared to do the processes again even after all this time because for a while it did attract alot of aggression until it balanced out and I have felt changes in myself when I am in confrontations that help me to deal with it.

Anyway my point is, I feel if what I did from those cd's were that powerful. That if Richie made a cd on motivation for RBSD training and fitness aswell then they would be a great help to me and many other people.

I am currently on a mission to reclaim my passion and motivation (that I know is inside me, because i've had it before) so any advice would be great.

so whats happened between then and now? how old are you Ben? would you say your understanding of RBSD has undergone a steep learning curve in the last few years? the answer could lie there.

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I always thought they would help but the technology is more effective than I thought. Perhaps if we use the visualisations to see ourselves getting excited about training and enjoying the process and the results it will help? Could be worth a try.

Thats a really good logical answer from you Traceur, but I think the results would be luke warm.

Motivation isnt a skill like confidence that can be cultivated. Its a symptom.

Its a by product of doing something you just love to do.

Remember people will do anything if they have a good enough reason.

If motivation stales, maybe those reasons need to be refreshed? Maybe you should try something completely different, embrace some change and leave Combative Urban Ninja Toughness Training to one side for a while. It does get rather stagnant if you let it.

2 suggestions:

1. in many models of psychology and spirituality they adopt a 3 level view of the human being:
child, parent, adult or id, ego and super ego or basic self, social self and higher self, or ku, lono and kane etc

universally we understand that the movement towards gratification/ pleasure and the ENERGY called motivation comes from the CHILD or unconscious self... its very hard to generate a unconscious response via conscious means so we have to be clever and talk to this self in the language it understands: the imagination

was there a character or a book growing up that inspired you to train growing up? a childish/or actual childhood fantasy? what Combative themed related books or films have inspired you recently. Get the imagination fired up and go for it.

Some people like Jason Bourne/ James Bond type characters, but I think they are super gay... I would prefer to be an Uruk-Hai dressed up as blade chopping up 3oo chavs who burst into flames and dies screaming with their tracksuits melting to their skin whist Prodigy "their law" blasts out.

What? Its my head and can do whatever I like in here... get back over here Kelly Brook and leave Keely Hazell alone for two seconds.

YES, we do street, ninja "reality based"(?), mucho tougho fighting and yes when some nitwits CONFUSE fantasy with reality they become a nuisance and a danger to themselves... but motivation to train? thats down to imagination...



https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=umvR1MLzi34

watch this... its "combative viagra" for motivation impotency!

If this doesnt make you want to train then you have chronic combative overexposure. Starve yourself from it for a bit and come back hungry.

Sometimes we spend so much time crushing myths and "sticking to the tried and tested" we lose all sense of mystery and fun.

Unless its your job or you are made to do it, you simply are NOT going to train if you dont get some pleasure from it. Thats fundamental human nature: towards pleasure, away from pain.


2. I cant remember my second suggestion I got so carried away with the first, it will come back to me in a bit Im sure

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=w2TQt_sAkxA&feature=related

Hi guys,
Haven't posted for a while. But i'm back and have got some good and interesting advice waiting

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sort of incubating i reckon. like the spiritual 'dark night of the soul' when everything's feeling like it plateaud and you're looking for new vigor. i think (personally) when that happens, it's good to simplify. give yourself some short-but-sweet all out efforts. just my humble two cents. i went down to two a week for a time, that dealt with my absolute minimum that i wanted from myself. when the energy (emotional/or whatever) came back, i built on that foundation.

not a Richie answer---just something that's worked for me and several friends. Richie's will be better. but this is sometimes what people need.

So you basically mean, start slow with a little bit and build up. Good idea.. I have found in the past that losing alot of motivation comes from doing way too much at one time when i'm not used to it.

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One thought I was having (and this isn't specifically aimed at Ben, more inspired by the question) is if you're in a town where you've trained with all the active martial artists, then you probably live in an area where RBSD might not need to be such a huge focus. If however you live in a huge metropolis and there's a serious chance you might face a life threatening situation, there are more likely to be good RBSD practitioners for you to work with.

In my case, I live in a town of about 40,000 and to my knowledge, run the only RBSD type group in the area. There's plenty of TKD/Karate/Kickboxing classes with "self defence" on the posters, but we know that's not the same thing.
Now I do live close to big cities that I visit frequently, such as Nottingham. Much bigger city with it's own particular violent crime problems. I know of several very serious self protection practitioners in Nottingham. So I guess it's all relative.

If you do live in a smaller town but aren't interested in learning martial arts from a taditional perspective (a perfectly respectable hobby, just not one of mine) I'd say getting into a full contact kickboxing / thai boxing group, ot even boxing. Benjamin, for example, has sometimes come across as a guy that likes a ruck. Stepping in the boxing ring 4 or 5 times a year will service that drive. Being a good boxer doesn't make you worse at protecting yourself in the streets, it just doesn't cover all the bases. But as I said, if you're in a relatively safe suburbia, it might not need to.

Just a few thoughts, which as I say, aren't personal, but might be food for thought

I feel that RBSD is important to me because of my job and its nature making me far more likely to get into these sorts of situations.

The only guy I would really want to teach me was my mentor for a while until I moved away, unfortunately I didn't spend as much time with him as I would have liked learning his unique training and about psychology etc.. he taught me ALOT.

Hmm.. boxing might be another option that I should explore, its better than nothing and also better than most traditional arts i've come across. Too bad there is no muay thai around here as it interests me MUCH more than just normal boxing.

As for me liking a bit of a fight.. yes.. I this seems to have developed in me, in the past I never was like this and then my friend and mentor kept mentioning that he doesn't start fights but enjoys them when he is in one. And I didn't understand until now.

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ello, sorry Ive been a bit remiss answering questions but Ive been researching secret styles in the misty mountains of wu tang and carrying out confidential training contracts for specialist LE units in America... and stuff

That makes me think of a TRS direct ad, where a guy has learnt like 20 different languages and travelled the world looking for 'the ultimate fighting system' and because he didn't find it he created his own. Unfortunately its not that good

But for you Richie theres no need for you to search for 'secret styles in the misty mountains of wu tang' because what you have created is already very good

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so whats happened between then and now? how old are you Ben? would you say your understanding of RBSD has undergone a steep learning curve in the last few years? the answer could lie there.

Well that is quite another topic in itself I guess, but I will try to sum some of it up.

Hmm quite alot. At the moment I am 24. Basically before I was 17/18 my parents locked me up in a cage (methaporically speaking) and totally protective. It wasn't until 17/18 that I started seeing everything.. starting from when I got my black belt at 17 and getting attacked on new years and finding it useless after putting my faith in the training and my instructor, that started my search for something better, and coming to RBSD, then my friend got assaulted with a dumbell by a bikers son and me going to court as a witness, being threatened by the father at my work (then in a supermarket) etc.. to doing security and being in more confrontations than I ever have in the rest of my life. Its really opened my eyes, my learning curve has been huge, im seeing things I never seen before, learnt so much, and see alot of changes in myself from it (not all positive unfortunately).

So basically going from nothing to being thrown into it in the last few years.. so you a steep learning curve definately.

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Thats a really good logical answer from you Traceur, but I think the results would be luke warm.

Motivation isnt a skill like confidence that can be cultivated. Its a symptom.

Its a by product of doing something you just love to do.

Remember people will do anything if they have a good enough reason.

If motivation stales, maybe those reasons need to be refreshed? Maybe you should try something completely different, embrace some change and leave Combative Urban Ninja Toughness Training to one side for a while. It does get rather stagnant if you let it.

Interesting, because I have heard of NLP for motivation before, I am going to research a little. You say "motivation is a by product of doing something you just love to do". I see what your saying.. but the thing is when I have trained I enjoy it, but then just don't find motivation to keep going with it.

Then next bit "maybe those reasons need to be refreshed" stands out to me. When I first started doing security and getting into situations regularly, I was always thinking about it, training my body and my mind etc.. it really motivated me.. and then it got too much, I felt myself changing in some ways I didn't like, becoming maybe a bit too aggressive and a asshole. And since then motivation has been dropping more and more.

So maybe there is other reasons, guess basically I felt some of my dark side (that everyone has) coming out and it scared me.. and I was struggling for a way to be able to utilyze it and keep myself safe but not let it get out of control.. Wow your post has really got me thinking, and I didn't realize this logically until thinking about it now.

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its very hard to generate a unconscious response via conscious means so we have to be clever and talk to this self in the language it understands: the imagination

Hmm interesting... I do have quite an imagination and am always imagining all kinds of things and scenarious some "what if" kind of things, and some things quite mental and not much to do with reality..

With me.. I go a little bit crazy in repetative things. Like boring jobs stacking shelves etc.. or training repetatively the same thing millions of times without creativity and imagination.

That is why I try to choose jobs around people, and security is quite unpredicatable and gives new challenges all the time (though it is boring at times I know).. or just customer service jobs where I can talk to people and meet all different kinds of people.

If I was stuck in a factory for years.. I feel that I really would go crazy. I did a job stacking shelves etc.. for 6 months and I couldn't handle it.

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watch this... its "combative viagra" for motivation impotency!

If this doesnt make you want to train Very Happy then you have chronic combative overexposure. Starve yourself from it for a bit and come back hungry.

Sometimes we spend so much time crushing myths and "sticking to the tried and tested" we lose all sense of mystery and fun.

Unless its your job or you are made to do it, you simply are NOT going to train if you dont get some pleasure from it. Thats fundamental human nature: towards pleasure, away from pain.

Combative viagra That sounds interesting. I have to wait until I get to a friends place to watch it as I am in the stone age and on dial up still

The thing is, it is my job to be in confrontations, and for a while that REALLY motivated me.. but now that doesn't anymore.. and I don't know why.

Some insight into my mind and my crazyness

-Ben