Street Legal Weapons

Ok, i've read posts where Richard implies that it's best to stick to learn hand-to-hand combat and weapon based combat comes somewhat impromptu as a result. I can understand this.

But I still have an interest in discussing what people can legally can carry as weapons in England, and yes i know you can say anything can become a weapon if used correctly, but specifics. Such as, belts for example.

I've got no interest in carrying some hidden blade but am interested in items such as Yawara which can be carried legally I believe in the UK.

The only weapon, excluding a belt, I sometimes carry may be a sachet of pepper. As I can easily pass off that I left it in my pocket from a visit to a cafe or suchlike, and when confronted simply threw the pepper in their eyes as self defence, before smashing the life out of them - yet to happen.

Hope everyone, gets what I'm on about.

C

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But I still have an interest in discussing what people can legally can carry as weapons in England,

answer: Nothing

you may not legally "carry" anything in the UK as a "weapon"

if you get dead good at fighting and batter some people and the police get cross with you they can even section 18 your hands...

...meaning that if you try and pick your nose and accidentally give yourself a nose bleed you can get banged up for self mutilation with a potentially lethal weapon, aggravated attempt to pick and actual nasal harm.

Its ok, they are NOT manouevering us into a position where we become easier and easier to control and milk for our energy like the human cattle pods in the matrix. It aint so. Whether we carry weapons or not is redundant anyway, if they want us to apathetically accept the slow encroachment of our liberty they just need pump out another Big Brother series and we will be distracted into a state of pallid drooling zombies watching idiots argue about nothing, farting and sleeping... yes, we proud Britons, a nation of warriors are so sterilised we will actually accept that watching obnoxious attention whoring morons SLEEP is entertainment that we need to improve the quality of our lives.
The fact that these blood sucking vampires have the temerity to fucking actually call the show "Big Brother" shows just how much contempt they feel for our intelligence. And rightly so, obviously, as we eat it up.
I have met the producers from Endemol and they are just really dreadful human beings. Awful, awful people.
I have an idea for a reality show: take the producers of reality tv shows and torture porn movies and make them kill each other in a big funny contest.... "running man" meets "saw" if you will...
We will cast votes on who does the best, longest lasting torture sequence on their fellow producers and those that fail will be chased to exhaustion by the gormless violence disenstised youths they have spawned.
Instant karma and a fine lesson in spiritual truth if you ask me.
Sweet.
We can all talk about it in the office for HOURS on end the next day. Yes.

"Did you see the way that 15 year old hoody smashed that cynical middle class twat producers head RIGHT OPEN with a sweet double leg jumping head stompinto the kerb? seriously, his brain came out of his eye socket, it was intense!"

I just read another Chuck Palanhuick book and I see another Big Brother series is coming out in the UK.
Orwell got it wrong: The problem isnt that Big Brother is watching us, the problem is that we are watching Big Brother... he was right about extreme violence and torture being used to twist our perceptions until we become social sheep though.

if you havent already read "fight club" why not? are you a social leper or something?

now read "lullaby"

What has this to do with self protection? Everything. Protect yourself. Protect your mind and boycott that faecal matter that is being pumped into your skull via the evil eye in your living room.

I need a drink.

Raw post, thanks for the reply Richard.

What I find absolutely nuts is this latest stabbing that has occured of Robert Knox. And as I searched for this poor teenager's name I see 'Knife crime UK: Boy, 16, stabbed to death in 'race gang attack' yet another victim.
What's crazy about the whole attack on Robert Knox were the original media reports, the man supposedly pulled out two 6 inch knives and started to threaten people, in the original reports Robert Knox supposedly went to speak to the guy about threatening his brother and bouncers had earlier turned the threatening man in question away.
Now what's bizarre is that when these knives came out, no one seemingly legged it and the bouncers disappeared, or certainly did not interfere. I'm not putting the doorman down as such, but I don't know how one goes about dealing with someone with two 6 inch knives. I certainly don't understand why everyone seemingly stood around trying to wrestle the knives off the guy instead of running.
Ok, it's unfair to criticise reading only media reports, and yes it's great that people did confront the man, like the steel worker who rugby tackled the man to the ground, but no one is seemingly taught at college on how best to react in such a situation or whether their is a "best" way to deal with a situation.
O well.
Furthermore, another thought is that the information you provide Richard and others is important, interesting and extremely useful if used effectively. But what I may learn from your DVDs and articles surely can be turned to a negative use. Obviously this is a risk one takes, and i'm sure you've heard this before, but I wonder how one should go about distributing the information.

Just some thoughts, bit off topic I know and I'm sure some will disagree/agree. But they are more thoughts than opinions overly.

My stepdad always said to me if I have to take a weapon out for something, to chase off a gang trying to nick the car for example, or confronting a gang who just robbed my sister, take a baseball bat out but always have a ball with me, then you have an excuse to be carrying it. You can just say you were off to your mates for a gae of rounders and the gang threatened you. And I think the law is that if you have something that isn't intended to be a weapon, it can still be used legally in self defence, like if you happen to have a metal bar on you for example.

know I want to say something, but a bit lost as to what.

how do you 'just happen to have a metal bar on you?'

"I was just off for a game of rounders officer."
"OK sonny, fair enough, on your way then."

"The knives weren't intended to be a weapon your honour, I'm a trainee chef."


deep breaths Ben.

A metal bar was just an example, a bad one I admit, but my mind was blank at the time. I'm just trying to say that if you have something on you and someone comes in your face and has a weapon, you are justified in using that something for self defence.

yeah Ben you are right ... thats why i put qute marks around the words "carry" and "weapon"... if you can penetrate the meaning of these words (as surely the person prosecuting you will) you might find legal loopholes...

neither this nor anything else i say represents legal advice which i never give, never, ever... if you misinterpret something i have said as being or implying legal advice you are wrong

a carpenter may "carry" a hammer to work... and aikidoka may "carry" a katana to the dojo (from the car to the dojo, usually wrapped in a towel at the bottom of a bag, NOT quickly accessible- many cases come down to trying to prove INTENT, remember that)... a carpenter on his way to work may defend himself against an attack by ANY MEANS NECESSARY as long he is using "reasonable force" and "legal restraint" defined by the circumstances of the attack

its not so much WHAT you do or with what implelement as it is whether your actions were justified,

Mr Carpenter: "the mad axeman had just slaughterd a family of 6 in front of me, he told me he was going to kill me and despite several warnings to stay back, he kept moving towards me saying he was going to kill me, I couldnt run and had exhausted every other means of defending myself, in fear of my life and the lives of other members of the public I done stoved his head in good with my hammer innit blud... I mean, your honour"

the balance of probabilities... if mr carpenter hadnt stoved mr axemans head in would he have been killed? can we prove it? was mr carpenters use of force justified? if mr carpenter had used a zip gun instead of a hammer would he still do time for carrying an illegal weapons but not for murder?

tricky stuff, but you need to get your head around it if you want to feel truly confident about defending yourself

Loki is coming to London and we were just talking about the culture in London now... if I was set upon by a gang of youths in south london (where I will be staying) I would assume myself to be in a life threatening situation and would fight to survive by any means necessary and sort it out in court later... I watched footage a couple of nights ago of a 16 year old repeatedly stabbing (13 times) a man who was lying prone unconscious on the floor, how they get to such a state of sociopathic dispassion so young is truly frightening.

Im sorry to bang on but living in a voyeuristic culture fed by shows like Big Brother is a major factor in creating a hypnotised "reality disconnect"... playing "lets be the best serial killer/drug dealer" video games play their role in hypnotic "role modelling" too

I´d rather do a bit of time than be a spine stomped vegetable with my poor mum having to change my adult diapers

damn, thats a sobering thought





(my counter spell: it will never happen as noone ever wants to fight me and i will live a long healthy and happy life )

I always ask, could I justify my actions now in front of a jury?

Southpaw
any powerful tool can be turned to negative use, I´ve even put warnings on certain products saying that they are in and of themselves inherently negative... am I making the world a more violent place? I seriously doubt it.
For one thing, thugs will find my langauge too academic and impenetrable plus they will lack the discipline to train the physical and psychological techniques repeatedly
also...

why would they need to simulate violence when they can just go out and get the real thing?

its more likely I think to be misused in rare circumstances by travis bickle angry loner vigilante types... I try and deflect them by constantly injecting even the darkest tpoics with humour and reminding people to lighten up and go outside and listen to the tweety birds... eat an ice cream and take a stroll
God I hope it works or my karmic rankings are going down the pooper

Very tough one this - but i'll stick my neck out and say AWARENESS is top priority in even walking to the shops going to ATM etc,I swear I have walked down the street before and a would be shite caught my eye, it was a gut feeling of menace from this intrinsically evil looking piece of nastiness. As he approached our eyes met and I thought nearly out loud 'I recognise you' his eyes actually for a split second looked like he recognised me! I nonchalantly looked away but could feel the adrenalin surge gearing me up..nothing happened,praise the lord!
The book Black Medicine, the Dark Art of Death by N Mashiro has some seriously nasty stuff in it.. I won't go into detail and no I did'nt buy it,.. my brother in law gave it to me he's a god knows what dan in shokotan karate.
I also went to a seminar with an Israeli Defence Force instructor who showed us every day things that can maim or worse...think of something you write with for example..he was not kidding either 'it has worked in the field'.
To sum up I think awareness,avoidance where possible, an unthreatening demeanor (but being alert) house keys, pen, even credit card and you are reasonably 'tooled up'legally.
I remember when lucosade bottles were glass I'd never seen so many chaps openly walking about with them with just a swig worths left..and yep they were used as weapons...My what a wonderful World

i don't know about you guys. but i was glad to put my shoes back on when i walked away from years of dojo stuff. i CAN count the number of times i've broken stuff--especially toes, but i don't really want to. the greatest feeling ever, for my self defense arsenal, was a nice-and-tight pair of boots. nothing measures up to that. but i've been to a class where a tai chi guy taught that hard surface everyday stuff works fine for objects to grab. i tend to think that if you have to reach for it, it's already something of a crutch (or psych-out). but this guy made his point with can openers, spoons, etc... and an old russian teacher (of statistics) of mine taught a young lady to carry a rolled up magazine which she used on a stalker's trachia (poke poke)--she had to call the stalker an ambulence. unless my statistics teacher was a big liar. i think it's more about where you hit. buy some steal toe shoes and kick low.

Russell Sage wrote:

i don't know about you guys. but i was glad to put my shoes back on when i walked away from years of dojo stuff. i CAN count the number of times i've broken stuff--especially toes, but i don't really want to. the greatest feeling ever, for my self defense arsenal, was a nice-and-tight pair of boots. nothing measures up to that. but i've been to a class where a tai chi guy taught that hard surface everyday stuff works fine for objects to grab. i tend to think that if you have to reach for it, it's already something of a crutch (or psych-out). but this guy made his point with can openers, spoons, etc... and an old russian teacher (of statistics) of mine taught a young lady to carry a rolled up magazine which she used on a stalker's trachia (poke poke)--she had to call the stalker an ambulence. unless my statistics teacher was a big liar. i think it's more about where you hit. buy some steal toe shoes and kick low.

I agree wholeheartedly. In my youth, I was into the punk culture for a while, which in my Country consisted of listening to the Sex Pistols, the Clash, singing Anarchy in the UK (since we were formerly a British protectorate), clad in studded leather jackets, tight jeans and heavy steel toed boots.

That time has influenced my ongoing passion for boots. I love boots. Saved my bottom a few times too. A hard front kick to the shins wearing a pair of comfy, industrial, non-slip, steel toe boots is very capable of saving the day. Or night.

I know of one punk lad who was left with one testicle after being kicked in the gonads. By his girlfriend. Who wore steel toed boots.

Sometimes me and my mates would try to test the strenght of our steel toe boots.
By sticking the front our foot out at the last possible moment into the path of an incoming car.

That resulted in a few broken toes, if I could recall properly.

Also, the leather jackets were quite handy against sharp edges like broken beer bottles or sheared aluminium cans (bet you never heard of a chap jumping on a mate using a beer can that's been twisted apart, huh? It works though). And since my jacket was heavy and studded and full of steel ornaments, it has served its time as a flail and sometimes shield.

Ah the good times.
But I wouldn't care to live thru it again, though.

To old memories! Cheers.

.

I would have to agree with you on that, Dave. It's not so much what you use but HOW you use it. Like you said, a rolled up magazine can put a nice size knot on your noggin. A plastic card (credit or otherwise) or even a plastic comb can cause some SERIOUS cuts when properly used. Even if you don't actually cut someone, the FEELING of having something that has a thin edge "slicing" across a part of your body can have quite a psychological effect. About the only thing you don't get from that is BLOOD and STITCHES.

Speaking of WW2 fighting, Fairbairn taught people how to use an umbrella with certain LETHALITY. It was taught in a series of 5 moves, but I have a feeling that the bugger would be on the floor by the second or third blow about to die from a crushed trachea.

Of course I could be wrong...wouldn't be the first time today.

Arnold

Asfi, hiya mate, i WOULD believe you about the twisted can. i've had my lower lip split open by one. ha ha. ah the good times. all part of the learning process i guess. on that occasion, i required a rescue from a friend who did just what you said...hard shoes vs. soft groin.

Arnold... plastic combs sound painful, i remember a time when they were outlawing metal combs for that reason (in the UK). a 'music' teacher i know stuck a plastic coke bottle in someone's mouth--who had been sort of taking the piss, which was surprizing enough to allow a follow up with a punch. it wasn't a life threatening situation or anything. just a sort of challenge that was answered quickly and with dramatic affect. picture a stocky, and mild mannered looking, german music teacher who listens to classical music most of the time gaining the element of surprize. it still makes me laugh.

objects also serve as decoys. i've mentioned, in another entry regarding image, a dorky looking guy i grew up around that really was successful at switching it on and going pre-emptive. the same guy was about to get punished by an approaching group of people--the dorky guys fault though. he managed to get a flip flop (beach slipper) in his hand, made a great gesture of throwing it at the males he had angered. they all covered up and showed shock...and he used to the spectacle to run like a lunatic in the other direction.

I'm not a fan of carrying any gear for use as a weapon; anything that can be carried and be dropped
If you really feel the need; the umbrella here might do it.

i know i know digging up an old topic, but if i were to carry a ''weapon/improvised weapon'' i would carry a roll of cling film, its light seriously hard and the length of a forarm. Also you can just peel off the bloody layer and then re-use it for wrapping your sandwiches up . but id have to go with my dads advice back in the day ''dont carry a weapon unless you intend to kill somone'' and with that i stopped carrying the tool knife (you know the multi tool knife things) that i had carryed from the age of 12 (i was 15 when i stopped carrying it ). Also carrying a weapon may mean it is used on you so just plain dont carry one, your either potentiall going to kill somone or be killed or fucked up yourself.

I think the major problem is becoming dependent upon whatever it is you are carrying, rather than carrying a weapon (or weapons).

If you are into kubatons, you might like the "cold steel sharkey". I though it was goofy at first, then I bought one. It's what i carry when I don't want to carry ....

http://www.coldsteel.com/91sp.html

Like love mine...

streetmaster-sms

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Improvised_weapons

http://www.donrearic.com/madbuch.html

Those are the first two results from
http://www.google.com/search?hl=en&q=improvised+weapons&btnG=Google+Search

However, I feel that weapons should be placed in a higher regard than something you just happen to find. We didn't win WWII without good weapons. Look at some of the really nasty shit they developed in WWI for trench fighting, there was a damn good reason for it.

I kind of like the Cold Steel marker and the umbrella, but don't own either. I wear steel-toe boots and steel-toe tennis shoes just about all the time. A lot of the things that are illegal to carry here are still carried by a lot of people. I am not saying that I carry like Mel Gibson in Beyond Thunderdome. I would never do anything illegal like that.

Remember that dependency is not your friend, and I am of the opinion that whatever you need to carry to get you home safely is none of my business. That is not a contradiction, that's just life.

Check out the English punk band The Subhumans Richard.

Most of their lyrics are about the things you were ranting on about. haha. Wicked band.

Get the album "From the cradle to the grave"

"British Disease" by The Subhumans

Hatred in the hearts of the young population
Riots in the streets of the "civilised" nation
Was it the poverty? Was it the police?
No - it's the British disease
The inbred snobbery
The patriot law
Violence and robbery
The state declares war

The youth of today with a broken voice
Have got something to say - they ain't got a choice
Racist police - backed by the state
Wipe out the ghetto and build up the hate
All the wrong answers
All the wrong ideas
The riot lasts a day
But the problem lasts for years

The great British public they can't understand
Why should there be riots in this civilised land?
Why is the country being pulled to its knees?
Ignorance is the British disease
Ignorance is the British disease
Ignorance is the British disease
Ignorance is your disease
Ignorance and apathy
Ignorance and bigotry
You found it all so easy to ignore the people who complained
and let their anger rise in flames
You thought this country was so great
that nobody could ever hate the way the system treated them
And then you wondered why they burnt your buildings down

Are old men allowed to carry knives to cut their apples and cheese anymore? If so I want to carry a hatchet to cut my coconuts and mangos with.