Machete disarmer and revenger gets prison

In my infamously MiddleClass Guildford town this has happened:
http://www.getsurrey.co.uk/news/s/2060829_machete_rage_of_abuse_victim_who_finally_snapped

So fucking tragic but what can one expect with druggie chavs running riot, not unconnected to the evil Fascist Govt and legal statute hand-tied Police who only enforce peace and prison on the citizens, letting scum run free.

The telling combative points:

Untrained unathletic older man confronts GANG.

Has wrist broken in fall but the rats don't manage a ratpack stomp attack to finish.

He targets the machete holder, gets him and wrests the blade off him (he has a broken wrist, remember) WITH NO INJURIES.

He then chases them and causes minor injuries, owing to lack of training and temper.

He gets 18 months bird even though everyone reckons he is a good egg.

So so much for it is impossible to grab the knife arm. Then again, the chav with the machete was just a cowardly youth...

Here's the cheery reading in full:

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"A FATHER who repeatedly stabbed a man with a machete was provoked by a gang of teenagers who had subjected him to racist abuse, a court heard on Thursday.

In an attempt to protect his heavily pregnant wife, Jaimon Thomas, 39, had asked the youths to stop riding around the estate in Wood Street Village, Guildford, on their quad bikes.

But then he finally snapped one night and left his house to confront the gang. He wrestled a machete from one of them in the ensuing melee and gave chase, Guildford Crown Court was told.

His subsequent frenzied attack on May 30 left gang member Zachary Stavert, 21, who had fallen to the ground, with life-changing injuries, including a slash to the hand and three deep cuts on his leg.

Thomas admitted wounding with intent, and in passing a sentence of 18 month's jail, Judge Christopher Critchlow told him: “You are normally a placid man, and to react as you did and do what you did was plainly out of character.

“That bears out the fact that you were most seriously provoked.

“You had been the target of racial abuse for some considerable time before this night, from local youths in particular, but to your credit you had always managed to ignore it.”

Brian Stork, prosecuting, said Thomas’s neighbour Judith Brace went outside to sit on her front doorstep at around 11pm when she heard death threats shouted at him.

Mrs Brace later noticed two men running up to the property from Wildfield Close, one of whom was Mr Stavert.

“She said [Mr Stavert] was very pumped up and very psyched up, his eyes were darting from side to side and he appeared to be on something,” Mr Stork said.

Mr Stavert then walked directly towards Thomas’s house.

“What happened then is that he started hammering on the defendant’s door,” Mr Stork said. “As that argument unfolded, the defendant rang the police.”

Tendons severed

The court heard Thomas’s wife pleaded with him to stay out of the argument and attempted to drag him from the front door. The commotion then seemed to die down.

“But unfortunately this defendant, in the hope that the coast was now clear, then stepped outside,” Mr Stork said.

He was then confronted by the gang and was pushed and kicked, suffering a broken wrist. One of the teenagers was holding a machete.

“He grappled with the person with the knife and got hold of this and chased the gang,” he said. “As the gang made off Zach Stavert fell to the floor.”

Thomas then swung the machete in his direction, hitting the ground with it in the process. Mr Stavert then got up and ran off, but was chased by Thomas.

“It is here that the defendant’s claim of self defence really comes to an end,” Mr Stork said. “He struck him with the knife on a number of occasions.”

Doctors at the A&E department at the Royal Surrey County Hospital said the deep cut to Mr Stavert's hand severed several tendons.

Another to his right knee left muscle sinew visible.

The court heard the two-inch long wound to his shin was so severe it was found to have chipped the bone.

Mr Stavert was later transferred to a specialist unit at St George’s Hospital in Tooting.

He has since been convicted of criminal damage for his part in the incident.

Gareth Munday said his client, of North Road, Ash, was a man of previously unblemished character who was not at all used to violence before the incident.

“He simply asked somebody to stop driving their quad bikes because he wanted to protect his heavily pregnant wife,” he said.

“He was a man who wanted to stop some of that anti-social behaviour.

“He accepts that he should not have reacted in the way that he did. He should have stayed inside.”

Thomas will serve half the sentence on licence."

Now doesn't that give you a warm glow?
Makes me wanna go all Charles Bronson on their punk asses.
Fortunately I am still allowed to say how I feel on this matter, since they are not gay or coloured.

I wonder what the verdict would have been in America, can anyone from across the pond comment?

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Fortunately I am still allowed to say how I feel on this matter, since they are not gay or coloured.

when you say "coloured" do you just mean non whites or black people specifically?

people use the dated, pejorative term "coloured" in different ways so just seeking clarficiation

who would not allow you to say what you feel if the people involved were gay or non whites?

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So so much for it is impossible to grab the knife arm. Then again, the chav with the machete was just a cowardly youth...

Yeah so much for it being "impossible" to ever grab anyones knife arm

Mike2010 wrote:

I wonder what the verdict would have been in America, can anyone from across the pond comment?

hmmm...by a jury, who can really say, but i wouldn't be surprized if these things factor in--favoring:
-multiple folks who had already attacked
-knife not his
-temporary insanity in light of his wife's delicate condition
-the judge varies the political climate dramatically--sort of russian roulette really
-lawyer you draw varies the political climate too
-presumably no martial skills

however: i had a mate who shot someone with the gun of the mugger--he narrowly got out of
a long sentence after a year long court trial. my friend was a black belt in TKD. same guy got
arrested for beating the snot out of two who had tried to jump him--police had arrived and they
[of course] believe those on the bottom of the beating.

IN SHORT: THE WINNER MUST BE THE BAD GUY.

otherwise, the law is like a game of chess at times--dependant upon other things than reason

Mike2010 wrote:

I wonder what the verdict would have been in America, can anyone from across the pond comment?

Unfortunately we have the same type of legal system, where murderers, rapists and general thugs can get off scott free because somebody didn't cross their T's from left to right when they wrote the report, or one of the investigators farted during the investigation, therefore obviously violating the perpetrator's rights, they should be released immediately so that they may pursue a civil suit in court against the victim, because if it wasn't for the victim's non-compliance during said crime, it would have gone smooth as silk where they would have been robbed and beaten properly, there by leaving the victim lying in a pool of their own blood like a gelatinous blob on the side of the road, only to get run over by a Taxi that didn't see you there, then when the perpetrator finally does get arrested they are labeled as mentally disabled, under age, too old, a victim of society or they were minding their own business, so 6 months probation is enough punishment. How is that for a running sentence. Which is longer than the time most of these scum bags get.

The problem with the above situation is that, once you have successfully stopped the attack and they are leaving, you are done. So if you decide to chase them down and hack them... well...

Trust me I understand why he would do such a thing.

Richard, I meant for it to mean for you non-white, of course. Do you think I would be so stupid as to be racist on this forum?
I thought it used to be used to include all non-whites not just "blacks" but what do I care, I don't agree with racism or PC kneejerking or much else.
I guess you need to get it clarified to cover your webmaster bottom. Well, you have done your job then. A+.
and I have complied. Do i get a gold star? I'd rather have a Thai stick as my shoulder hurts.

The people who would attack are the PC populace, Mass Media, bureaucrats, lobbyists, police, politicians and any other busybody shitheads who seek to repress us all so they can imagine they will feel big and safe. I do not underestimate the power of the Gay Agenda. Who would have a pop? Anyone who reads the forum and is a selfappointed PC enforcer, really. Fortunately not many people read this forum (Oooooh! Low blow!). No, I was serious. If the whole damned country read this forum I would not even post here as I would get killed pdq. Or rather i would post but they would be very different posts, planned out and subtly and insidiously mindfucking. I am just having a play while Rome burns.

What matey should have done is rung up my girlfriend's with £25 and in half an hour she would have detailed God's Will (I should trademark that) for him to follow or not.
Of course hardly any Westernised men "believe" in Divination so then if he is too dumb to scheme better I would recommend Charles Bronson/Punisher style hunting and hurting savagery well in advance (Dead Man's Shoes was too in your face and slow) of stupidly flipping out and confronting the whole gang at once,

or if he is smart,

calculated terrorism. Anonymous Guerilla warfare. They are cowards who would run away or roll over like pissing puppies if hurt and/or threatened well.
'Course that would require some kind of vicious SupraState, unless you are like me and evil comes naturally.

Maybe full-lotus and Ommmm would work but I wouldn't bet on it. I'd bet on napalm.

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thought it used to be used to include all non-whites not just "blacks" but what do I care, I don't agree with racism or PC kneejerking or much else.
I guess you need to get it clarified to cover your webmaster bottom. Well, you have done your job then. A+.
and I have complied. Do i get a gold star? I'd rather have a Thai stick as my shoulder hurts.

I asked so I could clarify whether you were actually a bigot or simply ignorant

its great that you "dont care" and you dont agree with either racism, "pc kneejerking" or much else

when people use the term "coloured", rant about political correctness and a "gay agenda" (just what is that? ) alarm bells start going off for me

usually it reflects the tip of a rather ugly iceberg

which in line with the tone of your other recent posts has got me wondering exactly where you are coming from


certainly you want to be seen as "smart" and "no respecter of authority" , ok thats an affectation I can indulge (in teenagers), even wanting to stick two fingers up at me personally, which I find un merited and more than a little ungrateful to be honest, I have shown you more respect and you have simply not reciprocated

thats a fact, now what does that say about you? you want respect, but you dont want to give it...

your posts very quickly started going the way of just "showing off"

remember there is a fine line between being "smart" and just a "smart arse" - cheap digs, silly posts and outright nastiness barely concealed behind an affectation of spirituality and some long words

actually, you know what, its not that fine a line

its pretty clear I was wrong about you, you arent that bright seeing as you havent the social intelligence to fulfill your agenda here without getting banned within your first week of posting

only last night I was defending your right to post freely seing as nothing you had yet written was racist, inflammatory or deliberately prevaricating from the topic

and within 12 hours what do you go and do...?

can we say "self sabotage pattern"?

this aint the first time is it? is it a "get your rejection in first" thing you are doing? whatever, your issues dont really interest me

go back to your weed and your study of magick symbols in corporate logos mate- stay in that comfort zone, its clear your ego cant handle the exposure this forum affords



this is a place for people who seek to engage usefully with reality, not hide from it behind bullshit philosophy

jog on

Richie...this just in...my correspondants at the Globe inform me his real name is
OFFICIAL HISSYFIT

and that he now resides in the tree opposite your bedroom window

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moth attracted by flame...
moth burned by flame...



sorry you had to have the interruption mate

it was my bad mate, total error of judgement on my part

onwards, loads goin on

FWIW the discussion with OH provided just the right spark to ignite the fumes of some ideas I had been exploring, triggering an explosion. The blaze of which enabled me to see a bigger picture I'd previously been missing, and rearranging some thoughts into a new order.

Personal philosophy stuff.

Good, evil, warriorhood, nature, humanity and so on and so on. I might have to elaborate another time, but the rudiments are scattered around in the rabbithole thread.

Now after the moth-burning is over. Well... I DID say that about the fringe didn't I?

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It's the CESSPOOL of humanity. Nearly everything and anyone associated with the related subjects of interest, are thoroughly tainted by corruption, madness, stupidity, ulterior motives and whatever other vile characteristically (sub)human things that thrive in the cesspool.

When you go into it in search of the rare and worthwhile marble of CONCRETE INFORMATION, the noxious shitfog rising from the putrid sludge is so thick you can barely see your own hands. Cackling mad tounges spew out the wildest, most insane ideas imaginable, from every angle, and the chorus NEVER stops.

I suppose everything smells like shit when you've got shit up your nose...

Now, back on topic concerning the guy from the article; the law must be followed to the letter. It's a shame people don't consider the PURPOSE and SPIRIT of the law when enforcing it nowadays. But that's how it is. It's not about JUSTICE, it's about LAW. Not what's right, but what's been written. And the courts and juries work on what is PERCIEVED, not necessarily what happened. The legal game being about creation of perception in juries and so on. C'est la vie...

That's why we need our personal ROE and "witness creation" stuff.

Such a shame. I think Richie hit it on the head with 'self sabotage'. I hate to see people consciously/unconsciously deliberately/accidentally cause problems for themselves. Seems to be a lot of that these days... quite intelligent people thriving off negative attention and bad situations. I'll never understand it.

Sharif H wrote:

Such a shame. I think Richie hit it on the head with 'self sabotage'. I hate to see people consciously/unconsciously deliberately/accidentally cause problems for themselves. Seems to be a lot of that these days... quite intelligent people thriving off negative attention and bad situations. I'll never understand it.

you can plainly see the difference in hats between when he was in the humble mode of talking shop--practical
tools for fighting, and getting into his 'state' for when he builds himself a fortress of whatever that was. i've seen
loads of students like this in my academic school. once switched into that place, they sort of implode and ride out
the storm almost as much a spectator. he sort of winds up and compulsively out does himself, gathering speed until
...boom

Russ the Muss wrote:

Sharif H wrote:

Such a shame. I think Richie hit it on the head with 'self sabotage'. I hate to see people consciously/unconsciously deliberately/accidentally cause problems for themselves. Seems to be a lot of that these days... quite intelligent people thriving off negative attention and bad situations. I'll never understand it.

you can plainly see the difference in hats between when he was in the humble mode of talking shop--practical
tools for fighting, and getting into his 'state' for when he builds himself a fortress of whatever that was. i've seen
loads of students like this in my academic school. once switched into that place, they sort of implode and ride out
the storm almost as much a spectator. he sort of winds up and compulsively out does himself, gathering speed until
...boom

Hmm. I still don't get it to be honest. I like to think I'm a good judge of character and have always had a natural understanding of psychology. But I have a feeling you are on to something there that I've never come across before. Do you mean like a defensive supra state? Triggered by what?

This is what I like about this forum... I'm always learning

I think Shar, when you've worked with adolescents more, you'll get more familiar with the pattern Russ talks about, its an intelligent class show off, they are half aware they being an arsehole and that they are going to get kicked out of class (and they dont want to really) , but the compulsion to be right, to be smart, to prove a point is stonger than their common sense /self preservation/ politeness


RichB, in terms of sense on that thread, for me at least, you really, really outstripped him in every way ... I mean you were running circles around him whilst clearly experimenting with new ideas (!)... thats like sparring with one hand and taking notes in the other!



anyway, I invited him to the forum off the back of some sparky funny emails, I didnt get a hint of what was going on underneath, I actually thought "hey this guy is on my wavelength" instead of thinking "hey this guy is doing a really good impersonation of someone on my wavelength"

my bad, I apologise

I dont want to linger on this, there are other things that more merit having attention spent on

maybe a "selfsabotage" thread in the psyche section Shar?

maybe RichB you could put together a crystallised version of the ideas floating around in your rassoodock?



tally ho

Just to add a small footnote to this thread, I sort of saw it going that way in the other thread and was trying to get him back on track towards constructive comments. I wasn't trying to assert myself, just curb a possible slide in the wrong direction.

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I actually thought "hey this guy is on my wavelength" instead of thinking "hey this guy is doing a really good impersonation of someone on my wavelength"

Me too.

I think you hit it on the head with the adolescent behaviour... it is the one type of human behavior that I can't really identify with. I kind of skipped my teenage years and don't really know any teenagers either. Pretty f'd up when an adult acts in a similar way.

Mike said:

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was trying to get him back on track towards constructive comments. I wasn't trying to assert myself, just curb a possible slide in the wrong direction.

Yeah, I got the feeling that's where you were going. I thought it was good the way you attempted to, btw.


Anyway, it's all over now. And now I'm once again all alone as the only wearer of tinfoil hats (kind of )

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Anyway, it's all over now. And now I'm once again all alone as the only wearer of tinfoil hats (kind of )

you most certainly are not!





time gentlemen please



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