Supra State - case study

I’ve got the POV/core visualisation stuff so of naturally I got the supra state CD too.

On the CD Richie gives an example – if you were going to join him on the doors in Tenerife rowing and scrapping with drunk chavs every night, what kind of person would you need to be?

Bloody good question. I’ve done a fair bit of training but I am one of these nice civilised people who doesn’t really have a lot of real brawling experience so I would really struggle with that role.

First of all I thought of the movie stereotypes – Jason Bourne, Vincent in Collateral, even Richard B Riddick. But then these are all writers’ creations and even if they might have some grounding in reality they are basically fiction.

I don’t personally know tons of hard bastards who live close to violence so I wondered how I was going to start this. Then I found a surprising resource: Danny Dyer’s Deadliest Men. For non-UK people, Danny Dyer stars in a lot of London based gangster movies as a wideboy with a lot of chat. He calls people ‘muppet’ a lot.

In this series he meets ex-bouncers, gangsters, soldiers etc. All of whom are hard of nails of course. It’s quite a sensationalised show and a bit of a laugh as long as these characters are on TV and not living next door. These are probably the guys to study though as many of them have no problem with using violence.

The other day the show was about Stephen “The Devil” French. A former karate/kickboxing champ in Liverpool who developed a reputation for stealing from and torturing drug dealers. So here is a guy who devoted himself to martial arts (he talks about his warrior spirit a lot) and terrified drug dealers. So far so good.

Interestingly, he even alludes to supra-states in the show saying people know him as the devil but that’s just one side of him, they don’t know him as father, brother, friend etc.

Here’s a link to the show:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=It9khncJ8qg&feature=related

As he’s from Liverpool, Richie may know more about his rep but he seems like a good case study so I watched how he walked and carried himself and listened to the language he used when he talked about different subjects. I listened to his beliefs as well and he describes himself as ‘one hard (n-word) to kill’. He also says he believed no-one could touch him and he was one of the fiercest men on the planet. I took all that on board but I stopped short of trying to do a Liverpool accent though.

So that’s where I am so far.

Any thoughts?

I've been downloading the series but have not yet had the chance to watch any of them. Thanks for the review traceur.

Still have not listened to the supra-states download, my son is till staying so not had the time or inclination.

A fictious character I would use would be Jake the Muss.

Which gives me an excuse to post this vid




Was trying to get a better one but youtube keeps telling me "an error has occurred"

Jake the Muss! That guy is so hard he is even Boba Fett's Dad!

I just re-watched the Stephen French documentary and I think there's a lot on there which is good for psychology. The guy even talks abouts flipping the switch and getting into character.

A lot to work on there.

Every time I think of an enraged mindset I get the impression of Vinne Jones' character in Lock, Stock, & Four Smoking Barrels.

The bit where he smashes that guys head with the car door just about sums up 'rage' for me.

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The other day the show was about Stephen “The Devil” French. A former karate/kickboxing champ in Liverpool who developed a reputation for stealing from and torturing drug dealers.

Yes I know him, I used to work for him.

Traceur wrote:

I just re-watched the Stephen French documentary and I think there's a lot on there which is good for psychology. The guy even talks abouts flipping the switch and getting into character.

A lot to work on there.

Stephen has a degree in Psychology, a very intelligent man.

Watched the entire show Danny Dyer's dealiest Men S01 Ep01, via youtube last night.

You worked for him Ritchie? Bloody hell, very articulate, driven guy. Should think talking to him on the subjects of state would be interesting, though I suspect my arsehole would be snapping like a guppy's mouth. Hope he was a good boss. His anti-gun stance is to be commended. Comes across as the true Educated Thug

The intimidation/taxation scene was palpably frightening.

I know there is a book out about him. Was going to see if I could order it from the library at some point. was looking at it on Amazon a few months ago. Got more than enough reading material to get through as it for the moment.

Traceur, very good call as a personality to adopt.

Is this the sort of individual you would want backing you Rich? Minus the vendetta's against him, putting you at risk.

Mike, know where your coming from, personally I cannot stand Vinnie Jones but that is neither here nor there. The scene in Lock, Stock is very powerful.

HI Richie, I have always found the cool collected "ice man" type of bouncer-door man etc to be far more intimidating that a hot blooded type who can be manipulated and distracted.If I had to work the doors, I would try to be the "iron hand in the velvet glove type" suave but brutal, or is that just fantasy?