Moms' Child Nab Defence

Does anyone know of documented specific tactics that address defence for moms in scenarios of attempted child grab from their arms or hand-hold? Yes awareness goes without saying. Thanks in advance. -mb

No, but Im sure we can come up with something to help if you give us some specifics?

Richard Grannon wrote:

No, but Im sure we can come up with something to help if you give us some specifics?

Thanks for your reply Richard… a bit of a long story but I feel a worthy topic.

What brought it to mind –again- this date is I have a new granddaughter and went to her birthday party which happened to be Mother’s Day as well. I sat back and watched how the child was each parents’ World but reminded myself that this is one of the two periods in life the human animal is the most fragile and defenseless as an infant and in the final years of life.

Since my daughter was a small child we drilled many of the self-defense tactics you advocate which is one reason I’m please to happen upon you as a resource. We are fortunate to live in a state that has not taken our Constitutional right to arms. My daughter and I have covered home intrusion with a 20gage defender and alarm system, will be covering the car soon with whatever piece we decide, but my concern is the baby snatch in any given scenario. It begs many questions… i.e., the assailant has the child by the leg… the arm… the mother is hanging on the leg of the thug… in the shopping mall… store… parking lot… etc… etc. How would a little mom disable the punk, keep him from getting away with the child and not kill or maim the infant in the process?

I WAS WRITING THIS WHEN YOU WERE///MOST STILL APPLIES,
AND RICHARD'S RESPONSE WILL UNDOUBTED FILL THE GAPS NEEDED.
-RUSSELL



...and if it's too personal--for specifics, send a PM.
is this a part of the world where people hold family members
for ransom? is this a dead beat ex-spouse who may desire
to take their child back? many abductors; one abductor.

you've already addressed awareness and scenario training so
i'm guessing you have some ideas already. the only things that come to my
mind would probably come to yours, provided these scenarios are explored
in a safe environment. don't wait around for that if you an immediate need
for this. wait for answers while getting some time in for possible responses.
sometimes a wee bit of surity and decisiveness tilts the scales, and lack of
familiarity [not training] adds to the hysteria.

i've sort of thought of these things a bit because:
1. someone tried to grab me from my dad in senegal--i was 3
2. someone tried to grab my brother--for purposes of thrashing an
insolent child [brother] in the presence of my mom.

every situation is different--potentially different as it plays out. it was
tug-o-war with my dad, he obviously won and had the cards in his favor
as i was being pulled out of a car [end result was that my dad was able
to drive straight to the nearby station just after]. in my mother's case
[not an abduction], she went for the guy and he was choking her out when
she managed to ease his finger in her mouth and almost rip that fooker
off before he passed out.

my sense would be, for an older kid, vice like grip on his wrist amidst
'help my child' kind of screams and pulses to attacker's eyes. i'm saying what the
first thing that popped my mind was. an infant...shit man, they're so delicate
to begin with. if this is really a possibility, i'd practice with a doll so that
a woman is use to one arm holding [like under the arm pits], all the while
moving in and pulsing to the eyes. i say this because you can't play tug-o-war
with an infant. and it's hard to think body mechanics when trying to hold on
to a child. the 'possilbe' release may at least afford one the chance of running
amidst traffic and screaming...getting to where crowds may be gathering.

at the end of the day, all you can do is increase your odds. i'd think in that situation
that giving one those little pauses goes a longer way than the idea that a woman
with her child can do anything memorable [because of the added focus on not letting
go of her child]. running and pulling alone doesn't offer enough perceptions of risk
to the grabber [my opinion]. they need something by way of a dis-insentive, a gauged
eye may buy someone some time [or not].

most web-adverts deal with defending an attacker whilst kids are about [2nd example].
i have yet to see one that deals with your question. suffice to say that part of being 'aware'
is preparing for safe routes, check-ins, secure-homes, shared interests with other family
friends who will also be working towards the safety of the children, tight security with
school, etc...it wont be chalked up to some physical movement and watching over one's
shoulder.


the whole idea is to:
INCREASE THE PERCEPTION OF RISK
you'll never remove the risks, but you might be able to have profilers, stalkers, predators feel
the need to take their habits else-where.

Russell Sage wrote:

I WAS WRITING THIS WHEN YOU WERE///MOST STILL APPLIES,
AND RICHARD'S RESPONSE WILL UNDOUBTED FILL THE GAPS NEEDED.
-RUSSELL



...and if it's too personal--for specifics, send a PM.
is this a part of the world where people hold family members
for ransom? is this a dead beat ex-spouse who may desire
to take their child back? many abductors; one abductor.

you've already addressed awareness and scenario training so
i'm guessing you have some ideas already. the only things that come to my
mind would probably come to yours, provided these scenarios are explored
in a safe environment. don't wait around for that if you an immediate need
for this. wait for answers while getting some time in for possible responses.
sometimes a wee bit of surity and decisiveness tilts the scales, and lack of
familiarity [not training] adds to the hysteria.

i've sort of thought of these things a bit because:
1. someone tried to grab me from my dad in senegal--i was 3
2. someone tried to grab my brother--for purposes of thrashing an
insolent child [brother] in the presence of my mom.

every situation is different--potentially different as it plays out. it was
tug-o-war with my dad, he obviously won and had the cards in his favor
as i was being pulled out of a car [end result was that my dad was able
to drive straight to the nearby station just after]. in my mother's case
[not an abduction], she went for the guy and he was choking her out when
she managed to ease his finger in her mouth and almost rip that fooker
off before he passed out.

my sense would be, for an older kid, vice like grip on his wrist amidst
'help my child' kind of screams and pulses to attacker's eyes. i'm saying what the
first thing that popped my mind was. an infant...shit man, they're so delicate
to begin with. if this is really a possibility, i'd practice with a doll so that
a woman is use to one arm holding [like under the arm pits], all the while
moving in and pulsing to the eyes. i say this because you can't play tug-o-war
with an infant. and it's hard to think body mechanics when trying to hold on
to a child. the 'possilbe' release may at least afford one the chance of running
amidst traffic and screaming...getting to where crowds may be gathering.

at the end of the day, all you can do is increase your odds. i'd think in that situation
that giving one those little pauses goes a longer way than the idea that a woman
with her child can do anything memorable [because of the added focus on not letting
go of her child]. running and pulling alone doesn't offer enough perceptions of risk
to the grabber [my opinion]. they need something by way of a dis-insentive, a gauged
eye may buy someone some time [or not].

most web-adverts deal with defending an attacker whilst kids are about [2nd example].
i have yet to see one that deals with your question. suffice to say that part of being 'aware'
is preparing for safe routes, check-ins, secure-homes, shared interests with other family
friends who will also be working towards the safety of the children, tight security with
school, etc...it wont be chalked up to some physical movement and watching over one's
shoulder.


the whole idea is to:
INCREASE THE PERCEPTION OF RISK
you'll never remove the risks, but you might be able to have profilers, stalkers, predators feel
the need to take their habits else-where.

No issues… life is good… just hoping to try and keep it that way. I think you summed it up well, sir. There are so many variables. I’ve tried to balance paranoia with a bit of preparation. Thanks kindly. -mb