A typical Warren thread: how to pick up girls/ rip off faces and... sociopaths

http://senshido.savi.ca/viewtopic.php?t=5460

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Addrienne

"Going back to what this thread was about when it started.......
Richard/Rich,



There is something I would like to ask you about what you've wrote -
it's not a criticism - I think that everyone should be able/given the
knowledge/learn how to defend themselves in the best possible way that
they can with whatever they've got.



You wrote: 4.

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not enough "realistic energy" - (guys, she is 9 stone I am 16 stone, shes a beginner)

You mentioned it, I didn't. I'm just picking up on what you wrote
and I wanted to ask you about it and anyone else who has their own
thoughts:



My question is: why did you include this in what you wrote? What
made this one of your factors? Why did you consider it reasonable to
mention the size/weight difference?



In a lot of the regular training I've done and it's been one of my
questions loads of times when I've done some of the shredder/senshido
stuff, but I've also questioned how viable/feasible it would really be
to defend myself using whatever method against a man. I'm not just
talking hypothetically but also talking from my own past experience
from having been attacked.



Leading on from this, if you think that the weight/size difference
is definitely a factor - some seem to think it isn't, that it wouldn't
make any difference, I have my doubts (a lot of doubts actually) - but
how do you think this would set you up mentally as an attacker? A man
attacking a woman? You know you are 'x' stone, you know she is 'x'
stone - do you think it 'psyches you up' more mentally, thinking that
even if she does end up fighting back, it's not going to make a
difference because you know you're bigger and stronger and you'll just
apply more resistance etc., and that she's not going to stand a chance?
Also, if you are in this kind of mental state, then would that cancel
out some of the pain you might feel if she does try to fight back?



Hopefully you'll know the type of thing I'm asking.

W

Hiya War

I will go answer this question on the forum

Im not really comfortable with you calling it my "face mauling concept" - its like a stole a tiny bit of the shredder changed its name and ran off into the distance cackling with glee... which I did, bit for gawds sake keep it a secret



seriously- I do worry about not giving credit to Richie D the whole thing is inspired by his work (even if i got it wrong )

Richie wrote

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Im not really comfortable with you calling it my \"face mauling concept\"

Well, u\'ve been searching for a CQB concept/ tool since 2 years ago to achieve ur goal if in the close range to eg generate a ferocious physical/psychological switch on the attacker\'s part to force him into defensive mode so u can stratigicallly transition to ur longer rangers if so desired and other purposes..If u won\'t take credit for developing \"face mauling\" concept...someone else will....LIKE moi Haha, though I\'ll give u credit ...But seriously Richie,it was ur openminded,\" empty ur cup\" philosophy experimentation that led to the test \"clicking for u on ur search for a combative tool for ur purposes\"...Most Eagle claw ,Krav, Systema instructors have said that \"oh we shred\" etc..not understanding the 1/4 inside the flinch no chambered strikes /maiming/ripping like u do.


Rich is really low maintenance, he openly states that if people incorporate parts or all the concept or develop a new concept like face mauling from playing around with the Shredder concept....All he asks is one sentence in the beginning of the DVD acknowledging his lifelong work as an influence ...kind of like Rich D. giving credit to his 3 years with T. Blauer as the biggest influence on his functional combatives approach to SP and HTHC richie, it\'s not like u have to name ur first born after him ...


Oh yeah, Richie, can you also please answer my question about if it is possible using ur converted RBSD suprastate to create a cool LL Cool J persona who\'s supremely confident with women when u have time away from hanging with ur female harem ?? Much appreciated man!
good night
W

pah thats easy... but now i must go to bed, email me again and remind me i will send you a load of supra states exercises from the manual via email

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I do worry about not giving credit to Richie D the whole thing is inspired by his work

Richie Wrote

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Rachel has done 15 lessons TOTAL with me, ONLY
whenever she asks for it, Im not the type of bf who tries to get his gf
involved in his crazy "eye gouging, groin kicking " interests!


These lessons have mainly been boxing/muay thai with some street
focussed stuff mixed in. SO she is not by any means an experienced
practitioner.



I would like to be able to say, and was going to say, that I thought the "Shredder" was awesome.

I have NEVER in 20 years of martial arts training and 10 years of
teaching seen such a dramatic improvement in a beginner student's
combative ability/mindset and confidence.
Bearing in mind shes pretty much an absolute beginner.

I thought the proof of the pudding was in her intital response when I
very first attacked her on the video: pretty flippin' good for a first
go!



She said it was easy because she didnt have to think about techniques "Im just maulin' you"

haha Richie, Rach really clocked u with that short shot elbow clip to the back of ur noggin and was starting to get the hang of neck cranking/wrenching....She has that cute totally innoncent looking fence too haha, loved the vid .


Richie wrote

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...it cant be considered "The Shredder"- so what was it?

Well it was certainly inspired by the Shredder and whatever "it" was, I thought was the biggest "ah-ha" moment Ive had in years!

Ive been looking for something that allows me to incorporate what Ive
been teaching as "incidental strikes" . Not dissimilar to the "1/4 beat
concept"- what Im talking about is what can happen when you grab
someone round the head: you accidentally clap an ear or chop into the
neck- that type of thing. This is something I got from silat instructor
Chris Parker.

I wanted to incorporate "incidental" with "intentional strikes"
but in a delivery system that is quicker than conscious thinking (i.e.
even you dont know consciously know exactly where you are hitting /
attacking next so your opp. has no chance), perhaps this is what you
would call "inside the flinch response"?

But I wanted it to be instinctive, intrinsically violent (as in
using movement that is clearly "violent" and rough and ragged as
opposed to smooth and controlled) and feral.
The long range manifestation is SAS "jap slapping"- strikes that go
anywhere and everywhere delivered with more speed than power the
objective of which is more to stun and create a "flinch/ cover up"
response than to deliver a KO. But I wanted a short range striking /
grappling tool that allows you to flow into head controls/ takedowns.

Also wanted a good tool to overwhelm assailant when they choose to
clinch into a close range to get them back out to a range where you can
deliver shots with knockout potential.

This is it.

Whatever "this" is!


Not the "Shredder" but certainly inspired by it.

So for what its worth, I tip my hat (again) to "Le Boss" and to
your system, I will certainly try and get on a Senshido course at the
next available opportunity.....

feedback from Rach...




(yes she is my gf btw, but you know, Warren already has full permission
to hit on her- to practise his openers and his jedi lady mind control )



"I would DEFINITELY use that if I had to get in a fight"




Even if its not technically "the Shredder" proper its certainly the
most Shredder-ish thing Ive ever done and whatever it develops into
based on my training objectives will have to give the Shredder credit
as its inspiration.



I wanted a delivery system for this kind of ferocious, feral attacking mode where you just get in there and savage the f@@kah!


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rfhBWMECcX8


from a DVD I did a while back

No Worries Richie, that's as articulate and eloquently stated post which addresses the inspiration for ur "face mauling " concept as anyone could write !

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pah thats easy... but now i must go to bed,
email me again and remind me i will send you a load of supra states
exercises from the manual via email

Again , thank u Richie, couldn't find any Asian romantic/sexual role models but LL Cool J, is a fine example
W

there is that guy in the lab in "Dexter"... well at least hes confident with women! he just happens to be a pit of a perv... but thats ok, some girls like that

.. now if Donnie Yuen where to play a womanising rogue... in the style of Johnny Depp in the Libertine via Russell Brand so youve got the right dash of gayness... why do women always like men who are a bit camp?
curiouser and curiouser...

Richard Grannon wrote:

there is that guy in the lab in "Dexter"... well at least hes confident with women! he just happens to be a pit of a perv... but thats ok, some girls like that

how did I know you'd enjoy Dexter?

on my top 5 favourite "sociopaths from literature" list

1. hannibal lecter- who else?
2. alex from "Clockwork Orange"
3. george stark from "the dark half"
4. dexter
5. winn.... from the harlan coben books... an RBSD practitioners wet dream of a character... in a none gay way

care to add?

Tom Ripley from Patricia Highsmith's series.

The majority of characters in Last Exit to Brooklyn.

Captain Kurtz... apocalypse now was on last night

I like that English actor's portrayal of that psycho in "the Hitcher"....very alluring, seductive and appealing...in a nongay way
w

muchtolearn wrote:

I like that English actor's portrayal of that psycho in "the Hitcher"....
w

His name is Rutger Hauer, and he's dutch.

http://www.imdb.com/name/nm0000442/

Thanks Serge, now that u mention it, the English dude in the Hitcher remake(He played the BG in National Treasure with Nick Cage) was also cool in a psychopathic "follow me the darkside" way ...what is it about the allure of sociopaths ( at least their fake Hollywood portrayal in the movies )that is so appealing?

That they can act so comfortably outside of social norms? Take actions that we secretly would love to do but won't?

Reference that Marvel Character Frank Castle aka the Punisher, he's as psycho as they come with a twisted moral code...and coming out with Sequel....Also, batman, if not sociopath is a bit of a kook who also acts comfortably outside normal sociatal conventions of behavior.

W

Main character played by Jeff Goldblum in the movie Mr. Frost.

From one of the Lethal Weapon movies - the guy in car rolls the window down for a cop. Cop asks "Is there a problem?" guy replies "Yes officer, I seem to have too many bullets in my gun...BANG, BANG!

Main character played by Kevin Costner in the movie Mr. Brooks.

Sean Bean was in the hitcher remake.
Ray Winstones character in Nil By Mouth is nasty.

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Also, batman, if not sociopath is a bit of a kook who also acts comfortably outside normal sociatal conventions of behavior.

like smacking his mum and sister? what a silly twat christian bale is, hope he gets jail time...

he was also a very funny sociopath in american psycho "sabrina, dont just look at it... eat it!"

Rutger Hauer is very cool in the original Hitcher (I havent seen the remake) and does have the old "dark allure" thing (my mum fancies him ) going on see the old Guiness adverts, very cool... and he played an awesome sociopath in Blade Runner... "I want more life, fucker" ... skull crush... excellent

speaking of darker characters being sexy War from a PUA skills/RBSD behavioural flexibility acting point of view check out Phillip Seymour Hoffman in 25th hour is the picture perfect AFC (average frustrated chump to the uninitiated, one day we shall all drown in acronyms and die horribly) then compare with the compassionate loyal character of "Magnolia" (and very funny PUA/motivational trainer rendition delivered by Tom Cruise, whcih is apparently a lot like the REAL tom cruise according to neil struass )

and then finally... Hoffmans portrayl of the character in Mission Impossible 3 (by far the best of that series... also featuring Tom Cruise but this time in "blank action hero" mode, why do they do that???)

Before I was ever bought the book "The Game" by "me bird" and introduced to the PUA concept I remember watching that film (MI 3) and thinking "He is 10 times more appealing in this film... because he is evil..."

Thats as a man... now I have never had the chance to ask a girl about it, but I bet they will tell you he is much hotter in that film. The things you find appealing/admirable/charismatic in other men will be the same things that make women go all gooey... see, we arent that different, we can understand the way their mind work.. .sort of...

"Evi"l is permissive, non judgemental, fun, exciting, lustful, naughty... its the moral equivalent of choosing the chocolate digestive (a british brand of biscuit... er... "cookie") over the plain one.

I know its bad for me... but it tastes so good


To sum up: to make yourself attractive to women...

cover yourself in chocolate and talk dirty


maybe... in fairness ive not really thought this one through

a lot of people thought it was a ridiculous plot turn when Clarice Starling jumped into bed with Hannibal Lecter... but if you understand the psychology of social validation and "trauma bonding" (dont be lazy look them up) it makes perfect sense

look at Hoffman in this clip


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NrcZvhGIyjY

female commentator is blatantly got a "lady lob on" for him as his character, describes him as "deliciously evil" (naughty girl )... then Hoffman ruins it by being all "please love me Im a nice guy when Im not acting evil" and almost apologetic in the interview- pah! a pathetic display of "nice guy sluttery" disgusting!

whats the quote War? something like:

some men are nice in the way some women are sluts

they display behaviours they THINK the opposite sex NEEDS in order to validate them

should we have a PUA psychology section?

face psychology 101:

freeze the video at 1.04

smile with lips "pulled in", head cocked on side, sympathetic "sincere" open eye contact... very submissive facial gesture
often seen in nice, well brought up public schoolboy types...

if you ever catch yourself doing this face: SLAP YOURSELF HARD

look at this for a lovely arrogant sneer by comparison, at 1.14- what in the face expresses arrogance and entitlement? look:



https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TaupjnpO30o

The Hell Richie ?? This NOT a typical Warren thread, sometimes I don't even mention facemauling nor facemangling or sociopaths at all !

Richie

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The things you find
appealing/admirable/charismatic in other men will be the same things
that make women go all gooey... see, we arent that different, we can
understand the way their mind work.. .sort of..

Hmmm, you said that women talk to maintain and make relationship while men talk to exchange info Richie...hmm,at the gym, the personal trainers who have many female clients, when they are talking to them, talk about the most random , and purposeless things! It seems like the personal trainers are the female clients' therapists or something?

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"Evi"l is
permissive, non judgemental, fun, exciting, lustful, naughty... its the
moral equivalent of choosing the chocolate digestive (a british brand
of biscuit... er... "cookie") over the plain one.

I know its bad for me... but it tastes so good

MMMM, now I'm getting turned on Richie

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to make yourself attractive to women... talk dirty

In a way that makes them laff and not in a way that creeps them out of makes them uncomfy right Richie? U said that their is a coorelation with ability to make a woman laugh and ability to make their panties slide off...put them in a good state

Oh, didn't know that Christian Bale struck his own mother ! That's I don't have the word for it...I was refering to the Batman persona/mythos in the movies that's appealing : mysterious, protective,authority figure, believes in his own moral code and acts on it..even when it clashes with the corrupt and slow legalities . ..I'm getting turned on right now

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female commentator is blatantly got a "lady lob on" for him as his character, describes him as "deliciously evil" (naughty girl
)... then Hoffman ruins it by being all "please love me Im a nice guy
when Im not acting evil" and almost apologetic in the interview- pah! a
pathetic display of "nice guy sluttery" disgusting!

Right! he started stuttering and got all nerdy halfway into the interview, I couldn't identify the impression that he started conveying that was such a turn off til u said "please love me I'm a nice guy" .....eww....that's gimp to paraphrase Rach

Man, I saw 25 hours, didn't see MI3, they are too formulatic for my tastes, but if u didn't put the MI3 trailer, I would not have believed that they were the same actor!!! Incredible !!

U think Hoffman can just switch on his bad boy persona at will, or at least with a little prep??

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whats the quote War? something like:
some men are nice in the way some women are sluts
they display behaviours they THINK the opposite sex NEEDS in order to validate them

Well, I for one would NOT be Turned off if a woman thinks she has to be slutty around me in order to be validated...this is the 21st century after all
Richie wrote

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should we have a PUA psychology section?

WEll, not PUA psy thread per se IMO since PUA approach is flawed from the start...But you do seem to get posts from males asking about how to be more confident with women in the psychology section....I think this is a great idea...How to pull birds ..attributes needed..Richie Grannon method (tm)

W

War

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hmm,at the gym, the personal trainers who have many female clients, when they are talking to them, talk about the most random , and purposeless things! It seems like the personal trainers are the female clients' therapists or something?

the male trainers who can learn to do this with female clients will be the most successful at their job... i've found this working a personal trainer about 9 years ago - "purposeless" is sometimes the very definition of female communication, its not going anywhere its just chat, women speak on average twice as many words a day as men!
I think with PT many women are often nervous, so chatter just comes out, the good PT will just reflect it back to build rapport and make em feel comfy. A good lesson to learn. Often why gay lads have so many female friends, they can keep up with the things girls like: gossiping and bitching

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to make yourself attractive to women... talk dirty Very Happy

In a way that makes them laff and not in a way that creeps them out of makes them uncomfy right Richie? U said that their is a coorelation with ability to make a woman laugh and ability to make their panties slide off...put them in a good state pirat

I was only joking but now you mention it... I was thinking recently about how I do tend to do that to girls, not in a bedroom way, in a social chat sort of way- is this an unconscious strategy to not slide into the "asexual friend zone" or because Im a natural show off with a desire to shock/ entertain? Its tricky at times trying to go back and work out stuff that you do that "works". Did you do it to get a result (highly likely even if its totally unconscious) or do you just do it?

Women often like "freinds"- the tv show... now you might find it tricky to really get your head into that fuzzy warm pseudo reality ( are people in new york that freindly War? ) but you have to... in fact you could write a whole book just on the "freinds/sex and the city" reality tunnel created for female enjoyment. I think its worth getting your head around these programmes if you struggle to be confident with women to get a more realistic grip on what women do and dont expect from men...

ie: not being a lecherous sex pest is NOT synonymous with priestly asexualness- thats an overly simplistic and typically male response


Ive noticed many conspicuously "non physical" alpha male types refer frequently to their libido and the fact they love women: woody allen, russell brand immediately spring to mind

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U think Hoffman can just switch on his bad boy persona at will, or at least with a little prep??

I think anyone can: "bad boy persona" is just a normal guy who isnt deliberately cutting his own nuts off all the time to fulfill the neo feminist agenda... its the natural state...

The character "Frank" from the movie "Blue Velvet". Epic sociopathic lunatic.

Lonewolf333 wrote:

The character "Frank" from the movie "Blue Velvet". Epic sociopathic lunatic.

yeah, really good performance that