ANYONE HEARD OF THIS???

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Gmy0ZqStGXc&feature=related

Hmmm, can't say that I have, interesting though, an art based on letters of an alphabet.

However, I did hear of a form/kata buried in the bible (old testament) that was discovered via a Rosetta stone.

Maybe you should have posted this in the DUMB/funny section, Russ

Sharif H wrote:

Maybe you should have posted this in the DUMB/funny section, Russ

no kidding mate, but because of the cultural tones--i was holding back and trying to see what people knew about
it. i don't have to tell you what my first inner musings were doing
i just assumed some asian fella had made a guest appearance on a trade route years ago and added, erm, 90%
to a style that was sort of clothed in hobby like secrecy anyway. or influenced by the obvious river of information
that constitutes immigrants and the their toted cultures. it's way too circular tai chi for me to even fathom that it
was somehow unearthed from tradition and scripture. unless we have Hebrew culture to thank for the asian martial
arts, hmmm, think not but was willing to hear someone somewhere say something about it as I KNOW NOTHING
but have obvious bias'.

i was more intrigued at never having heard ANYTHING about it.

and there's alot out there i've heard of--like that high stepping zulu stuff, etc...

anyhoooooo
just wondered is all
my real sense of all things martial is that there's nothing new under the sun--but i'm always curious as to what
constitutes those traditions. i know styles reflect the landscape--short vs. long range moves, etc...or perhaps the
climate politically, capoiera. not sure how tai chi came about, but i sort of like it--when coupled with real drills and
crazed padwork, etc...
ultimately i don't even, personally, need the historical overtones but respect the millenia that sometimes constitutes
the growth curve of trial and error. it's why i assume that arts should change with our times and reflect our climates, etc...
the culture vs. the raw referrels on how to make it home in one piece. my old tkd coach was good for that but he divided
it into sports fighting, and form perfectionism. he didn't mind sloppy tricks for tournaments, to include made up forms
in the absense of participants. his club made it to Ripleys for these many many tricks. no one doing any weapons forms that
day..."get up there, do anything...that's a first place trophy for us"...in situations that only fighters and hand-katas were
showing up. but now i digress.

combatives will change and all, but i like that it's stripped down. just as i've only VERY recently allowed my spiritual path
to have a monikar other than meditator--more for the crowds of reasonable people i encounter than anything else.
blah blah blah

back to the topic
it's been joked as "JEW-JITSU" on youtube, but it made me curious and at least want one rigorous attempt to find out
something of a history--i guess i'll look more into it before letting the intrigue fizzle.

erm...ya

korea then
intriguing...haven't read it all the way through yet..Zoe calls [daughter]
whilst i have no reason to doubt the wording that implies the art is an amalgam of the dances that hide moves,
the fragments of those dispersed--who retained some of a past in martial skills, and the encorporation of influences
by way of those who thoroughly understand how it would not detract from that which makes it a part of the Hebrew
heritage...i have a simpler interpretation.

the intention and rigor is good, but--or maybe i should say 'and' so it doesn't sound offensive,
one can never seperate a man from his influences, and the man has high ranks in Korean arts.
a cool read. fascinating sub culture.

http://www.abirwarriorarts.com/bio1.htm


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Many peoples have retained remnants of those "lost" arts and built modern systems upon materials that were provided for them in text books, illustrations, traditional dances, folklore and archeology.

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That was quite interesting...

Thanks Russ

I've watched the vids before, not read all the blurb though thanks Rus.

Personally, It looks very similar to the Eastern arts he studied, but as you said Rus, nothing new under the Sun.

I'm sure that it couldnt be a profit motivated heritage con to flog to Jews, nor a fundamentalist Hasidic art, newly created to allow the devout to practise fighting within the strictures of the Torah?

I'm such a cynic. I love me!

I wonder what the Palestinians have got?

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it's way too circular tai chi for me to even fathom that it
was somehow unearthed from tradition and scripture.

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I wonder what the Palestinians have got?

rocks

Richard Grannon wrote:

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it's way too circular tai chi for me to even fathom that it
was somehow unearthed from tradition and scripture.

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I wonder what the Palestinians have got?

rocks

LOL Rich.

Rocks was the first intifada, 87-93. THey have a bit more hardware now, hence why a heavily armed, well trained Israeli army failed miserably in last years incursion into Gaza. Never heard of any arabic fighting styles, muslim yes in South-East Asia but not Arabic. Must be some, Mohammad (PBUH) never seemed to have much of a problem with violence, (once he'd gained supremacy that is)

The Arabs favor an explosive fighting style...

http://www.defend.net/deluxeforums/filipino-martial-arts/5314-muslim-fighting-arts-forums-4.html



from pster snake 147 half way down the page

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Hey, I'm new here... But I read your forum about middle eastern or arabic martial arts... Well I've studied various forms around the world for alittle while now, and they do have some middle eastern hand-to-hand combat styles. They are

1. Sebbekkha (Egypt)
2. Varzesh e-Pahlavani (Iran).
3. Dervish (muslim priesthood, I think some place in North Africa)
However, finding info on them may prove difficult.

from bullshido

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I was told that the name Sebbekkha could be interpreted as Crocodile Wrestling and that is basically what I recall it being--wrestling. Indeed, much of what we did was very similar to what I learned on the wrestling team in high school. I remember mentioning this at least once and receiving a vague reference to Greek cultural influence. In short, we spent a lot of time on the floor of Ali's small apartment stretching, rolling with each other and conditioning (more yoga type stuff than burpees.) The striking was remarkable only by virtue of its simplicity and intention. There were no kicks that I saw in the limited time I had with them (much to my chagrin, being a kickboxer at the time.) The strikes were very linear and meant to be executed as closing strikes in the context of a crash. The objective was to get inside and clinch with your opponent for throws. And that brings me to the one unique (and dubious?) aspect of the art--the throws. Bear in mind that I have not trained in any Judo or had any intensive training in throws. I don't recall, however, coming across anyone who favored muscular force over skeletal mechanics the way these men (yes, strict gender policy, by the way) seemed to. Again, my knowledge of the art adds up to roughly 160 hours of actual training time, but I'm pretty sure I remember Ali emphasizing that the throws are generated by the waist. No, not hips; not foot position, WAIST! This, along with the "speed" of technique, I was told, was the reason it is termed Sebbekkha.

Crocodile fist