For Uk residents. Where your taxes go.

Read this please & pay attention to the seriousness of the sentence to the Policeman concerned.

Wish I could find the description of the original incident. Must have been pretty bad as the mag didnt even look at it twice.

http://www.thisisexeter.co.uk/news/Police-arrest-row-man-wins-appeal/article-1472328-detail/article.html

But fortunately getting drunk & fighting with policeman is vindicated as something you shouldnt even have to be charged over.



Some of you on this forum may get the impression that I am a right wing bigot. I am not, I am a realist & I like truth & fact to be the same thing.

Welcome to the police state

Oh please tell me that isn't true... It has to be a spoof.

Please tell me this isn't so.

roadkill wrote:

Oh please tell me that isn't true... It has to be a spoof.

Please tell me this isn't so.

Talking about the video, Roadkill? There's a whole bunch of similar ones on the YT.

Sharif H wrote:

roadkill wrote:

Oh please tell me that isn't true... It has to be a spoof.

Please tell me this isn't so.

Talking about the video, Roadkill? There's a whole bunch of similar ones on the YT.

Yes the video, is it true you can be stopped and searched because of the reasons stated?

roadkill wrote:

Sharif H wrote:

roadkill wrote:

Oh please tell me that isn't true... It has to be a spoof.

Please tell me this isn't so.

Talking about the video, Roadkill? There's a whole bunch of similar ones on the YT.

Yes the video, is it true you can be stopped and searched because of the reasons stated?

Sorry for not getting back sooner my friend.

Yeah, it would seem that they can pretty much do whatever the hell they want as long is it's justified by the subjects of terrorism, or in this case, drugs.

Here's some more videos from this guy...

Outside the US embassy (ironically where one of my ex-instructors managed the security:

Gets threatened for saying 'shit' in a park. The officer comes in at 3:34 mins...



Admittedly, Charlie (the guy with the camera) can be a bit childish at times, but if you can look past that he's actually highlighting the beginnings of very serious issue

Sharif H wrote:

Admittedly, Charlie (the guy with the camera) can be a bit childish at times, but if you can look past that he's actually highlighting the beginnings of very serious issue

Couldn't agree more... in fact I felt compelled to leave a comment on this particular video.

I'm not a big fan of megaphones and creating a scene and such, but again, this vid highlights a problem. The police are there to protect us... but what threat does this man pose in order that the police should put him on 'the database'?

Its a depressing spiral. Soon you will only be able to move safely, by the video stream of someone filming you,cos your too busy, filming someone else, to look where your going.

My original post was because the injuries compensation this guy will claim, the court costs and a full years salary on suspension went on a facebook page & a drunk fighting some policeman outside a pub.

Yes, police state. Certainly getting that way.

Stop & search on suspicion of drugs. Dont think that was legal under PACT, lot of new stuff sneaked in. Or maybe they rely on people complying.

Terroism Act. Serious mis-use, was watching the parliamentary committee discuss it a few months ago, number of stop and searches was enormously bloated compared to the final arrest figure. Only thing I could find relating, bias site though, wish I could find the parliamentary report.


[url=http://docs.google.com/gview?a=v&q=cache:2hPxFJgtOCcJ:www.statewatch.org/analyses/no-23-uk-stop-and-search.pdf+greater+london+arrest+under+terroism+act+number&hl=en&gl=uk&pid=bl&srcid=ADGEESiVbLCErxFW1Xta8JulDofizWYn_6wmAKPqZK-AMOodMyUGK7Sbh26U8gDiqHqMKSO13N9jgYGk9a0PI1aQ_Irb-3GYFJajJayY9YuZTYOWT9AN93-6v6h53Hx9S-N6RDG-UtoE&sig=AFQjCNHAJBFTnKJECOCgn4GA9Linas1xiQ]http://docs.google.com/gview?a=v&q=cache:2hPxFJgtOCcJ:www.statewatch.org/analyses/no-23-uk-stop-and-search.pdf+greater+london+arrest+under+terroism+act+number&hl=en&gl=uk&pid=bl&srcid=ADGEESiVbLCErxFW1Xta8JulDofizWYn_6wmAKPqZK-AMOodMyUGK7Sbh26U8gDiqHqMKSO13N9jgYGk9a0PI1aQ_Irb-3GYFJajJayY9YuZTYOWT9AN93-6v6h53Hx9S-N6RDG-UtoE&sig=AFQjCNHAJBFTnKJECOCgn4GA9Linas1xiQ[/url


PCso's are a waste of space, if you want something done. A visible detterent to replace the bobby on the beat but all the BGs know their powerless. Its only the law abiding majority who would treat their enquiries with any respect. There only purpose is to soothe.

Yes, childish.

Sharif, you ever googled where I live? Exeter. We Had a guy last year, home grown terrorist, read austic, islamic convert try to detonate a bomb in a childrens cafe, called Giraffe, 1/2 a mile from my house. He was wiring it up in the toilets & the detonators went off in his hands.

Makes you wonder. What is the correct middle way?

Blakops wrote:

We Had a guy last year, home grown terrorist, read austic, islamic convert try to detonate a bomb in a childrens cafe, called Giraffe, 1/2 a mile from my house. He was wiring it up in the toilets & the detonators went off in his hands.

Some scary shit there...

roadkill wrote:

Blakops wrote:

We Had a guy last year, home grown terrorist, read austic, islamic convert try to detonate a bomb in a childrens cafe, called Giraffe, 1/2 a mile from my house. He was wiring it up in the toilets & the detonators went off in his hands.

Some scary shit there...

Too true brother.

Hello everyone, not been on for a while, busy with work and car.

Personally I think we have neither the advantages a police state offers (less crime), or the advantages the police service of a true democracy should offer.

When we think of the Police I like to think of them out on the streets, stopping people and searching them. I'm happy to be searched (though I would question why and should be entitled to a truthful answer).

Reality is though, it seems that most decent people don't use the Police because they feel the Police will be busy attending 'serious' crime - In fact the Police will be dealing with minor disputes claimed by the 10% of our society that needs them to settle a score with each other, and don't have jobs or more pressing requirements.


One example of this is that I hesitated to call the Police when a group of lads were jumping on cars on our street. In the end I DID call 999.
The response time (at 1.30am) was 45mins. If they had arrived within 15 they would have cought the offenders red-handed. These were a group of drunk yobs, who were taking their time and basically meandering home. They weren't even thinking that they were committing a crime or could be arrested.
Anyway the van turned up eventually and I went outside. The first response of the female police officer was that no damage had been done. She promptly shone her torch on a car to demonstrate, and the beam fell on a pristine footprint of someone's boots.

No crime number was given because technically there was no victim - the car was not mine (they hadn't touched mine). this in turn means that they don't need to catch the offenders - If they had a crime number then they would need to find them to get a 'detection', i.e. a closed case.

But if they had turned up on time (I live in a small town and the roads were empty) they would have seen the print, and then turned the corner to be greeted by a group of 6 teenagers who were sat on the bridge near my house drinking bottles of lager. i'd imagine they'd have made an arrest.

(I didn't want to confront the lads because I couldn't see any advantages in doing it. they'd just make twice the effort next time).

So in short - no crime occurred (no number), which means that technically my street is the most peaceful street ever (on paper).


I went a bit off-topic there, but that's my Police story lol. I would much prefer them to be on the streets, taking names (even my name). Instead they'll be chasing up ghost cases, for instance text message threats, and spending hours filling in the paperwork.

Hrrrrumphhh. I'm actually considering joining. I could live with the bullshit as long as I didn't kid myself it'd mean anything to the average briton. You get a Public Service pension.



Edit: I'm not keyed up on the tricky subject of prejudice, but it's obvious in my town who the little shits are that need searching. For a start they all deliberately dress like criminals to get respect or look 'hard' (i.e. chavs). To any trained eye i'm sure it's easy to see who's acting suspicious. If it happens to be a certain class, race , or religion then so be it. Totally undefendable in our society though - that would be a prejudiced method of policing. Despite the fact that in some cases it might actually reduce real crime (I'm not talking about Shannon ketting offensive texts off her ex-bf Darren).

When seconds count, the police are only minutes away.

Their role has changed to cataloguing rather than dealing with an incident.

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Did you know theres department of the police called the CID which stands for criminal investigations department?

Surely thats what all police should be doing anyway isn't it?



Theres also an "anti crime" unit, makes you wonder what the rest of the cunts do all day

Mike2010 wrote:

Quote :

Did you know theres department of the police called the CID which stands for criminal investigations department?

Surely thats what all police should be doing anyway isn't it?



Theres also an "anti crime" unit, makes you wonder what the rest of the cunts do all day

where'd this quote come from?

"cunts"?

no, no... we dont call policemen "cunts" on this forum, no, no

Sorry, it was pasted from Sikipedia. I hadn't really noticed, in future i'll tone down the language.

Mind you a few weeks ago my mate got peppersprayed, handcuffed so tightly he still has marks on his arms, and then forced to climb into the van on his own (with his hands behind his back). Then they drove him at breakneck speed for 10 mins to the nearest station, whilst he was on the floor unable to steady himself.

Apparently because they used a whole can of pepperspray his eyes were in a state, and the nurse asked if there was a doctor available to look at his eyes, but there wasn't.

He was 'let off' with an £80 fine for causing an affray. He's really docile but someone had started on him after accusing him of beating up his own girlfriend (lots of local 'hero' types round here who like showing off to other women by picking on people).

Apparently he just went nuts (which I would personally love to see because he's so reserved), battered the guy after the guy ripped his shirt, and then walked off.
Turns out his mum works with the other guys mum, bit of a frosty reception for her at work on the Monday. The other fella was covered in bruises. Makes me happy just thinking about it, if you knew they guy i'm on about you'd think that too.

The police stopped him later because he was walking back, and instead of asking him politely to get a taxi and go home, one of the Officers got his arm behind his back and lent him on the bonnet of the squad car. My mate asked him to get off, and when the Officer then tightened the lock on his arm, he reversed it and had the policeman on the bonnet. Then they all jumped on him apparently, and peppersprayed him.

He really is such a simple, docile lad that you'd really need to mismanage a situation to get him angry, or escalate things. It didn't even occur to him to lodge a complaint weeks later when we were talking it over.

(I can sort of sympathise until when they overtightened the 'cuffs and made him get into the van on his own, not allowing him to sit up and steady himself on the way to the station - In my opinion that's personal and it's revenge.)

wasnt the language that bothered me, it was the implication that policemen are "cunts" - I'm not having it on my forum

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He really is such a simple, docile lad that you'd really need to mismanage a situation to get him angry, or escalate things. It didn't even occur to him to lodge a complaint weeks later when we were talking it over.

I dont think a complaint will stick if he was resisting arrest and assaulting an officer

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My mate asked him to get off, and when the Officer then tightened the lock on his arm, he reversed it and had the policeman on the bonnet. Then they all jumped on him apparently, and peppersprayed him.

and rightly so... how else do you think they should have dealt with your mate given what he was doing?


do you know how I would have dealt with a similar situation if some drunk kid was wrestling with another doorman?



ah, except he wasnt wrestling with a less accountable shady doorman who runs the risk only of losing part time work - he was wrestling with a highly accountable compliant vulnerable policeman who runs the risk of losing his career and pension

funny that, I think your "mate" picks his battles wisely doesnt he?



dont kid yourself


your mate was drunk, fighting and wrestling with a policeman, he can stick his sorry, whingey, resource wasting complaint up his arse



Policing is a shitty, frustrating job because of "cunts" who get lashed and disturb the peace with their toy town nonsense.

Mike2010 wrote:

makes you wonder what the rest of the cunts do all day

Now you have me curious as to where your contempt for the Police originated. Was it some past experience or more of a thought process of people you hang with.

Richard Grannon wrote:

it was the implication that policemen are "cunts" - I'm not having it on my forum

Whoa, hang on, I don't have a problem with policemen. I copied that joke, that's why it's in quotations.

As for the incident with my friend, as I said, I can sympathise, but only to the point where they got the cuffs on.


Edit: Come to mention it, the same policeman who had him on the bonnet of the car had previously had a complaint put in by the doormen at a different local club. I'll try and remember why (can't at the moment).


To explain myself further, I sympathise that Policemen in the UK have a hard time. It's the system of Policing that I have a problem with, not the individuals (who i'm sure would like to be on the streets more as well).

But in this case, once my mate was cuffed, I think it was a matter of revenge for them, not self-protection any more.

I don't know the ins and outs of the incident, I wasn't there. That's why I said I could sympathise up to a certain point in time. You mention that they stand to lose more than just a part-time job, well in that case, act with integrity so that things like this aren't brought up.

OK, I've just had a think, and would like to clarify a couple of things in more detail.

Posting that 'joke' was an impulse thing, it just happened that it popped up so I thought i'd stick it in this thread.
I was in a good mood, and the reference to 'cunts' I didn't take literally. Honestly I didn't really notice it, I took it that it was just an offhand thing that the author had stuck in there much like you'd say 'the buggers in the garage charged me £45!'.


Regarding my attitude to Policemen (in this area, that i've encountered), I actually know three by name (went to school with two, and actually worked closely with the other one in a casual job). They aren't the sort to dig the boot in. One of them though is easily influenced by peers, but I'd imagine he's grown up a lot.
I've been arrested once, in my later teenage years, and the police that attended were fully proffessional and I have no problem with any of their actions. There were about 10 of them though. The handcuffs were a bit tight, and served as a (probably intentional) wake-up call, but they didn't leave marks that could be seen a fortnight later. That all said though, I was compliant, if a bit sarcastic, and I didn't resist arrest.

My general impression then, of the police around here, is that they are as good as anywhere else. That said though, I feel there is more room for leniancy towards bad habits because of the remoteness of the town and the small size of the local force. This might or might not be true and it also wouldn't suprise me if I was wrong on this. But I understand that they are human, and unfortunately that brings group dynamics and possible bias into things, leading to imperfect behaviour at times as well as poor judgement.



As for the incident with my mate, I understand now that it was a silly thing to post. Originally I just wanted to highlight his treatment following arrest (that's why it's in the first paragraph) but rambled on. I also probably missed some bits out that work in his favour. Considering he told me over a beer in the local.

That said though he was an idiot for resisting, and I did actually tell him that when he told me the story. Based on my knowledge of him, I know that he's a good man, and a docile, simple one at that. That undoubtedly biased my perception of the events, and that's what you see in my post above. As outsiders you have the advantage of just being able to spot the flaws in the appeal for sympathy.
If I was there you know i'd have recounted the story as accurately as I could, and i'm not known really for giving my mates leniency on things like this.


I'm still sticking with my belief that the police were out of line in their actions after cuffing him though. That's based on the fact that he wasn't a threat, and my presumption that, policemen being human like the rest of us, revenge would presumably play a part. I understand that he resisted arrest, and tempers would be frayed, but I don't think that excuses unproffessional behaviour.

That said though, I acknowledge that my perception of what acceptable police behaviour is is based on my encounters and whatever i've seen on TV. I doubt however that if the incident was being recorded they would have made him climb into the van unsassisted, with pepperspray in his eyes, and his arms handcuffed painfully behind his back. There were about five or six of them present.

Just to butt my nose in...

Mike, I like the way you've handled this and think everything you've said in your last email was very fair.

(So leave him alone, Richard... you big scouse bully!! Only joking )

I too have no problem with Police Officers and know that I probably couldn't remain calm if I had to put up with some of the BS that they do. I've trained with enough of them too!

However, the 'system'.... Yeah I'm started to have problems with it. It is changing police officers into revenue-collecting sociopaths who forget that they too are human beings. But that's another topic I guess.

Peace ya'll

Sorry, guess I misunderstood... my bad...

I should have been far more clear.

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(So leave him alone, Richard... you big scouse bully!! Only joking )

stop it or we'll end up like the other forum, you know the one where "Objectivity rules" (chortle) there was a fair bit of whinging on there about me being a bully

now, for ME to be clear

yes I can be mean, I am running on this forum at 20% meaness, this is me very, very fucking toned down, in real life I am mainly a happy go lucky clown until we discuss issues that I see as being improtant

I will NOT NOT NOT be having a creeping anti police or anti soldiering agenda on this forum, it will NOT be happening you can fucking forget it

yes I am open minded to the notion of a broad political agenda that USES the police and the military but this will not become a place where people are given carte blanche to criticise the police

Shar, your posts on the topic so far have been reasoned and evidence backed and worth saying, so Im happy

I was not happy with Mike's post for reasons given above

now to my overall attitude and to how you newcomers should approach me and posting on my forum

sometimes I will scold you, its nothing to what you would get in real life, trust me

but look at it this way, I do NOT argue with people I dont care about and I certainly dont argue about issues that I dont care about

this is not "bullying"- its a self protection themed forum from a website called streetfightsecrets - if your thin skinned about taking verbal criticism on a forum (not "you" as in you Mike, you took it without a whimper) how the fuck are you going to cope in the real world when some horrible peice of shit is trying to stamp on your face?

so we will not have policeman bashing or soldier bashing here - you MAY criticise current police protocol in balanced evidence based posts of course

and we will NOT be having a fucking diluted toned down politically correct highly censored "love in" if any of you have something to say I think you should feel free to just say it

on another thread in this section Official Hypocrite was being told to "tone it down"- I said nothing, but I was partly thinking "why?"

is he being irrelevant, deliberately inflammatory, racist, insulting or prevaricating from the topic? No... so should he "tone it down"?

I personally dont think so

but

I said nothing because I want you lot to be self governing, its my forum, but without you it would be a bit shit

it wouldnt stop me from posting though

I think if just one person is posting those things are called blogs rather than forums

So to Shar - Im not a bully but Im very very forthright on topics that matter

to Mike - I just dont think you had thought the issue through and hopefully now you have, I could have gone the "now listen here what I think you mean is..." or the route that I went which was more of a stark slap in the chops

which do we learn from more?

pain

always is the best teacher

and I have plenty to give



but its the zen punch, not to be mean or aggrandise my ego, if I dont think it will help or that I can help or your just pissing me off, you'll notice to these types I simply offer a "fuckyou" and a ban.

Every once in a while its good to reestablish the boundaries.

Please continue posting here, I enjoy learning from your intelligent insightful posts, you precocious little bastards.