Skater vs gun-totin' banger

http://www.ignatius-piazza-front-sight.com/2009/07/26/an-unlikely-hero/

Strangely (or not) 2 skaters I know have both suffered from attempted muggings recently, one in london, one here in exeter. Both knocked out the muggers.

One in London was on embankment. Got threatened by two hoodies, 1 pulled a screwdriver & Alex knocked him out with one punch, the other ran off & Alex sat on the other one, still comatose & phoned for the cops & and ambulance. Have'nt heard if he has had any comeback.

The other, Paul, who works in a friends skate shop, was walking home down a quite busy city centre street at 5.30p.m. when 2 guys attempted to mug him and steal his BMX. 1st Dickhead told him he was going to take his bike & put both hands on the handle bars, Paul decked him, again with one punch & the other legged it. Paul then cycled off quick. Wishes now he had called the police.

Makes me laugh (I'm not a skater anymore stopped at 18.) because I dont think people realise how fit & strong these guys are, to do what they do. Body weight to strength ratio is enormous.

Perhaps, as Ritchies talks about appearence, because they appear to be partaking in a childish pursuit, idiots believe them to be easy fodder. Cant take the injuries this guys get regularly if you are'nt tough. And a deck is a hell of a weapon.

Reminds me that when i was seventeen & skating with a group of friends in town, we got set upon by 3 pissed up Marine Commandos. (There training base is just outside Exeter, at Lympstone). They got their arses handed to them. My friend ben still had hair and blood on his griptape a month later. Mind you, there was 10 of us.

YOU JUST MADE MY DAY

Cool stories. Interesting how in both cases bad guy #2 ran off. You'd think that if they're going round mugging people, they'd have enough balls to stay and fight. What kind of person leaves their mate to get a further beating? It's good to know... no honour amongst thieves as they say.

I know where that little skate park in embankment is actually. It can be pretty isolated at night time. Not many people about.

Talking of appearance... a friend of a friend (who I've never met) has recently been seeking advice from me via email about how to deal with the fact that people keep trying it on with him. Not quite violent assault but more like street bullying. And he seems to think that a big part of the problem is that he dresses (as he says) a bit 'Emo'. I'm no expert, but is that kind of skaterish?

Re the video: first gun threat situation (dare I say, 'disarm'?) I've ever seen on video. Was really interesting to watch as it's a subject I've dedicated a lot of time and training to. I only wish that kid had had a little training... I would have liked to see that little penis-extension-carrying dickhead get a proper beating. What's the point in carrying a firearm if you're gonna use it as such close quarter? If you wanna intimidate somebody like that, use a knife... guns are designed for distance. Knob.

Very pleased you enjoyed the vid

Shariff, I would have said that emo was modern goth, with a little bit of skater chic. I does mark you as different & that is probably the issue here. Quite tribal, teenagers (& really , everybody else) though perhaps more social pressure to fit in with a particular gang or group. The diiference between listening to Muse & listening to lethal bizzle!

Skater dress tends to be t-shirt, jeans & Skate trainers, though as an individual pursuit people dress how they want (so long as it doesnt interfere with their activity.)

I think the telling thing in the vid is active, fit person versus fat bastard witha weapon to make himself seem hard. No shooting training experience (neither have i, lets be honest, other than a lot of vids, Inside the Crucible being the fave )

He manipulates the pistol like a gang banger cliche!

I hope though unlikely that the fat bastard learned some humility from the incident. I suspect not & with his desire to escalate to that level of force & then humilating beatdown, he may well kill someone. Lets hope not.

I had to add an edit. Most muggers will run off provided with some resistance. They mug people because it is an easy way to get money, resistance means its not easy, it draws attention & they might get hurt. Thats why in my experience its two or more against 1 person or male female couple. Geoff Thompson carries an interview with two in his book "Dead or Alive"

Which is serialized here:http://www.fighttimes.com/magazine/magazine.asp?columnid=14

I've seen loan would-be attackers run off after being given some resistance, but it was the 'leaving a friend behind' thing that surprised me. In the multiple versus one (or few) type fights I have witnessed the rest of the team just piled in and fought harder when their friends got hurt.

Great link. I lent my copy of dead or alive (before I got the chance really read it) some years ago and never got it back. The site says that they have Geoff's permission to republish too, which is good.

when i had the shite kicked out of me for having the audacity--the unmitigated gaul, to stay up three days drinking...my mate stepped in and what i remember was quite remarkable to me. [i had fuzzy dream vision and no reflexes--over confident me forgot why i went into the arts in the first place]. this guy i knew leveled one of the main guys so fast and hard, that the other "4" backed the fuk up and wanted no part of it. he touched that 'oh shit' nerve in all of them simultaniously.
i remember watching over my friends shoulder and thinking, why did this so called friend just call them back, fukking arsehole. then i watched the one guy dart into him and fall as quickly as his approach, and then the neat and fast bollocks
kick just as he hit the ground. i still have the image of 4 big men backing up like they were getting visions of their own arse whippings.

so called backup...ain't

people are such individuals that they're really mostly tag-a-long spectators. that isn't to say that if they're winning that everyone's boot wont find your rib/head/bollocks/etc...just that, lets say in my experience, i'm still surprized by that racially
motivated vid that shows 3 men really backing each other up and not being inhibited--in spite of the fact that they weren't much in terms of fighting ability/morality/whatever else you can think of. it must be why folks told me growing up, to take out someone really fast and hard and send a tremor through the chorus [girls] who'll back the fuk up. i train for these drills now [multiple] after my experience. it started as three on one, the two more idiots came on board because of the glorious success. i still remember it like it was this morning, and it was over 20 years ago. i sobered up and spent the next
7 days of my vacation looking for them. i wanted each one of them in the ICU. my flashy fast kicking friend helped me search. in the end--of course, we found other trouble. ahhhh, the stupidity of youth hang on...'of males'...hang on... of people...hang on...of animals. okay, it's a world of great miraculous things and many fooked up dingleberry filling the crevices in the foundations

It's like that 'price of admission' thing that Chiron wrote about.
If the perceived odds in your favor suddenly don't look so good, then .....

maija wrote:

It's like that 'price of admission' thing that Chiron wrote about.
If the perceived odds in your favor suddenly don't look so good, then .....

i just read that--thanks for the lead-in Maija

...i used [way way back] make an anology of fighting like a badger...not the biggest
predator, but certainly the biggest surprise. all the crazy mustilids actually--wolverine being
the media darling mustilid. they put on such a show that initially the bear/cougar/human
whatever...all collectively say, "WHAT THE FUK...I'M OUT OF HERE!!!"

and yet, when bluffs are called...i've seen wolf footage of a committed wolf taking one. the
whole, "who's prepared to do more damage, who's less concerned about returning home"
speaks to alot. inhibition/or lack there of

Around my way skaters get picked on because (again around my way, rural) they are generally skinny little skanks. Emo's the same. 'Slipknot Kids' is a good way of putting it I suppose.

Funnily enough when I was reading the post RE Chiron I was thinking of a badger. I'd be so proud if I reacted like that when the time came

With regards to wolverines, check out the 'honey badger'. It can fuck you up lol.

Mike2010 wrote:

Funnily enough when I was reading the post RE Chiron I was thinking of a badger. I'd be so proud if I reacted like that when the time came

With regards to wolverines, check out the 'honey badger'. It can fuck you up lol.

ha ha...the honey [ratel] was exactly what i was thinking about. that's an animal that really
knows how to live. there's been one documented case of one angry little fooker going after
a cape buffalo--by way of his 'nads'

that should be the SP mascot

Honey badger? I can't think of a softer sounding name. Sounds so cute! I'm gonna have to google this one...

I WANT ONE!! Don't think the cat will be too happy about it though.

Check out the battle with the snake at the end. He gets bit by one of the deadliest things on earth. Does he die? Nope. He takes a nap... then cures his hangover by EATING the frikking snake.

Strange. Or perhaps we are all products of our environment.

I read Rus's post.........Badger, Wolverine, Mustelidae.......& I thought AHHHH Honey Badger & bang. every other post.

Ratel's are bad news.

Sharif, what sort of disarms do you do? Krav maga/ kapap?

Yes good link Maija. Price of admission for the criminal's desires.

Hmmm, intent. Funnily enough following SOAHC's post,last week, tonight was Crazy Monkey & O'Neill cover, with forward explosive motion, driving in & through. Got a new guy in, strange. Kickboxer for 9 years he said. 8 to 18, not sure how old he is, fairly heavy hands, I got a black eye coming & a hard hook to the ear. But no forward drive. Had to remind every time to push either through or past me to either side whilst striking. I like new people, they make training interesting because they never quite do what you expect. Broken nose a few months ago, was new guy. Ross, squaddie in the rifles regiment, He Palmed me in the face hard enough to smash the grill of the face protector right into the nasel bridge, snapping the thin bone in 2 at the front. never broke my nose before. Not painful exactly....But like a bright flash in my mind.

Anyway point being that they surprise you or do odd things & I like that because that sort of chaos feels more real somehow.

I was not proud of myself at training tonight, I actually walked out feeling quite low, like I had not achieved much. Guess some nights are like that. I have some health issues at the mo. I think when they are sorted, I might join a BJJ class. Fancy the challenge & the change.

I love that. Back legs still paralysed, he happily trots over to the snake as if nothing has happened and eats it.

'OOOoooooooooh a present!!!!'

Edit: sorry blakops, back on topic, far more relevant and useful. Sometimes i'd leave the gym from doing exercise feeling down, bizzarrely. Suppose sometimes it just gets you. Need any songs suggesting to get your happy hat back on?

Blackops...

I've had a go at most kinds... slapping the weapon out of the line of fire and then following up with (insert almost any technique here) and also joint-locky/filipino/jujitsu style ones etc

For 'disarming' pistols, you've got to have some options due to the line of fire and potential 3rd parties. So I can't say there is just one type that I do. Wish it was that simple though. But to answer your question, I have two basic 'styles' of technique that I find work well in training that I would use depending on the situation. And both of those have some variations that could happen in the heat of the moment.

Maybe I'll get the chance to show you one day... quite hard to explain in writing.

Either way, at that close range as seen in the clip -I'd much rather have a loaded pistol in my face than a knife. Psychologically, guns hold more power of the general public, but in reality they are easier to deal with as I'm sure you know from your own training

Go ahead mate. I was going to put on "Always look on the bright side of life"

Actually, i'm not really down. Just feel a bit flat.

Oh & I bought a 15 quid quality second hand thick cow hide Antique brown leather jacket lunchtime from a charity shop.

polished & waxed it earlier. Big boxcut style. There, thats cheered me up

Watching a movie about the disappearing Bee colonies in the U.S.

i tell you what Blakops,
there's no stronger character than those that repeatedly test their metal, get injured/sick/health-issues and repeatedly
perservere. fuk what people call inner strength. the game is consistency and perserverence. Roadkill i'm sure will tell
you.
i've had nothing compared to what he's had going on, but my sciatic nerve shut me down for an entire year. i felt like
my entire identity had crashed. all i had was my anger. incrementally things changed, all uphill, and all defying what
was being hinted at--as my realm of possibilities. i went from a reasonable kicker, back to my roots as a boxer. now
i'm quite comfortible, and train high line/low line to a greater success than when i was close to the full splits, etc...

what sucks about injuries is the pace you've had is now interrupted and one gets the impression of lost time, and vulnerability. what sucks about bigger health setbacks is that it is a foe that one can't materialize and pound into the
fukking ground. my whole hearted empathy to your complete turn around. on another night, in the grand scheme,
you'll be breaking someone elses nose. lets face it. in the world of 'no-control', otherwise known as 'fighting', you
can sleep like a baby with the knowledge that there aren't any rules at all--this works for you and not just the other
guy. Danite said something i liked once. he said [to loosely paraphrase], in the ring i'd lose [referring to someone i can't
remember], but in the street i'd rip his face off. it pays to think like this, to think of fighting as less a matter of athletic
prowess and style, and more about the willingness to go places others havn't even considered.

i wish we could go out for a pint. taking a night--or 30, off is not so bad. when you come back, you're often bringing so much
more to the table. in terms of hunger, and energy, etc...i have several students now that bring me joy. i see an early version of myself in them, but i'm really trying to give them some of the lessons in advance that i had to learn/earn. i think i'm getting to them as all the fights they're telling me about--with the exception of multiple gang-ups, have proved more
than successful. i realized, through my protiveness of them, that i was teaching them to fight and not sports-fight. the lesson
sort of came around full circle to me and i realized all the times i wasn't actually leaving the sports world behind.

i think that if you can leave that sports world behind and put it in it's context so it doesn't represent a character slam of any sort, than you should have fun with it. but if it takes an emotional toil on you, you should only train for the street.my humble opinion based on my tremendous ego, and it's shortcomings with sports fighting. i've always had better luck with real fighting, as it so happens. not that i have loads of experience...but enough to see the short comings of people playing within
the rules and pacing themselves, and how it doesn't always produce the true winner/survivor. i've fought at least one guy that would have point-struck me to complete humiliation, were we to have met in the ring...but as luck would have it, it was out of the ring and i was afforded the fond memory of beating him all over a room--up/down up/down up/down...after his initial rude awakening of taking it to me like the sports fight extraudinaire that he was. it's a lesson that stuck with me, and one that allowed me to walk out the dojo door--for a while at first, forever later on.

as for music, hmmm. i'll edit this if i find something

twisted--me, here's my 1st choice
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XJbDvAMORr8&NR=1
then catchy/funny
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=L9WfXBcJWzY
then what happens when real gansters take up guitars
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=c64kgdCDllA
and the chaos of this
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dk6wr7cKAjY

i dare you to take anything seriously after that

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=stPqr6B_zEY&feature=fvw

Mike2010 wrote:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=stPqr6B_zEY&feature=fvw

Chavtastic

Thankyou all. Very amusing. But when I want to build a proper british strop-on, Homie here builds my ire.



Rus, thanks for the words. Not really down, was just flat last night. Strange. that laguage for emotions sometimes invokes a sine wave. up/down,flat. But your music choices are very cheering though honestly BooYaa, The only large sweaty cracks I want to see are on frenziedly dancing curvacious girls. Few things going on at the mo, but I am a realist/optimist so they could always be worse, they have done in recent years so at the moment life is calm, comparatively. I think i want to push my horizons a bit. The nose, well it was gonna happen. Its big & I have always assumed I was gonna catch it their sometime. Goodnews. It happened in a safe place, I learned it was nowhere near as painful as I feared it would be. I got to experience real concussion for probably the first time. I was going to write about that if anyone is interested, had never experienced it before whilst aware of it & yeah all the symptoms were true.

Perhaps we could ask Ritchie If we could open a bar thread, then we could have that virtual beer