knife thrust vid?

Just finnished watching the knife fighting experiment, well worth buying prevokes alot of questions about any martial arts anti knife moves that ive seen. I just stumbled on this vid (jujitsu 101 crap) now this is aparently a how to evade a knife attack when standing face to face... except the instructor is not face to face with the knife man (one of the many problems with the vid ill leave you to point out the rest for yourself)
check it out (im really not surprised by the amout of people being killed by knifes when i see this nonsense being held as definitive tactics)
http://www.gorillafights.com/fightvideos/12715/knife-drill-#1.html
side note :- may not be suitable for office (the adds on the site, not the man with the knife i mean)

That was an interesting clip . The guy makes it sound like it will be so easy to bypass the knife, take the attacker's side and trap his arm using leverage

Knife Oops

why people must always complicate their moves? at normal speed, well, the ju-jitsu instructor would be gone...

http://www.gorillafights.com/articles/68/Scottish-Man-Fights-off-Gang.html

found this story on the site of a guy succesfully fighting off a gang of robbers (as mentioned before this site is not a good look in the office)

I was asked about the dude in the knife clip just last week, they have a whole load of vids on youtube under the name leveragepinning... I havent had the time to check it out properly yet.

Didnt like that knife defense particularly, but then I havent seen much that I have liked in the way of knife defense... ever.

when i was in a tae kwon do club, i met two guys who had a nice balance. they sort of stylized their skills to meet the demands of the club. they would occasionally deal with 'what to do if..." scenarios involving knife and gun. i'm not really sure, but i happen to think it was more a factory of the individuals but two of the black belts were held up at gun-point, and screw driver respectively. the guy who had to respond to the gun is naturally fast/instinctive anyway, but he slapped the gun hand enough to turn the person's wrist inward and pull the trigger (at the gun holder). i heard through the club instructor that there was a court case that lasted about a year, bringing in to question his level of skill vs. if he had other options. the gun holder died. the other guy that responded to the screw driver, did almost the same move but the screw driver-holder was awkward and minimally skilled--expected little response and i think (my interpretation from hearing the story) this played a greater role when he also turned the guy's wrist and pushed the screw driver into the guy (who walked off holding himself and cursing).
not my story, so take it with a grain of salt. the guy with the screw driver i'm more sure about because i saw his aftermath personality changes.
-rus

Hi mates,

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...particularly, but then I havent seen much that I have liked in the way of knife defense... ever.

I agree with what Richard said.

There are many knife defense techniques out there, but let me tell you, they don't all work.

You should see the scars on my hands, fingers and elbows.

Main thing is, you've got to survive. Take the guy out as fast as possible, no question about it. No qualms, no hesitations.

I have been punctured by a knife on 3 separate occasions during my time as a bouncer. One on my right side of my gut, the topside of my right hand and just above my left elbow. Not to mention the slash scars.

Facing a knife, and having had experience facing it before means a big deal.

The fear that comes out of it just cant be described. It's grim, it's horrifying. And it's real.

You just know that you could probably get cut, and in a worst case scenario, get stabbed to death.

You could get out of the way of a slash cut or just be a bit lacerated, but thrusts are a different thing. Most knifers don't go for slashes. Maybe as a start, testing the water to see how fast you are or such. They aim to poke. A puncture wound is usually a killing wound, a finishing move if you want to call it that. If you're fast enough and have good hand-eye coordination, you could defend/deflect the strike and attack simultaneously. Very much like "bursting". Touch AND go. Very, very touch and go indeed.

If you're too slow, then too bad, I'll send you lillies.

The amount of moves and complexity of it is also a contributing factor of your survival.
If your "knife-defense" move or technique is complex and requires more than 3 steps, I'd wager that you'll get it 2 inch deep.
Also, the longer you are in the engagement, the higher your risk of slipping up and dying.

I hate knives. I really do.
That's why I train to never have one in me again.

Cheers.

i had a student swing a 'plastic' bat at me...it came too fast to do any grabbing, etc... in a non-lifethreatening game of 'what to do?' i could only kick him. i could only think of physics and forward motion. i also had on my mind that an old karate teacher of mine had been in the hospital for with a coma (for a day) for 'blocking' a pipe. he swears his block saved his life, and that's probably true...i have no reason to doubt that.

i also saw Richard's video on youtube and i can't see it any other way...the leg is longer than the arm. Richard's forward motion seems critical too. i've seen alot of martial artists who kick without that forward motion, probably because they are used to kicking in place for practice. when Richard kicks, it looks like he's kicking-in a door...and probably has that affect on the person. i do realize this is about knives. just figured it would also apply. no need to write a new caption.

here's Richard's footage--if i've saved it right:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bdnS2L9z298

We deal with bats, knives, pipes etc. by concentrating on the attacker - not the weapon. To do this, we concentrate on the angles of the attack. Primary focus is to get out of the 'line of fire' of the weapon then go for the attacker. We did a scenario with a plastic bat - attacker swung and defender stepped in to jam the attacker. From there, the defender proceeded to a point of reference to either restrain, incapacitate or terminate.

Try spitting in your attackers face before moving in - it will buy you some time.

Problem with knives is you can't do the same thing in one encounter that you did in another encounter.

I know that Richie has actually kicked a knife out of someone's hand. I've done the same. Do it again? Odds are no.

It's the mindset of doing "X" against "Y" move that fucks people up.

There are ways to handle a knife empty-handed, but they are sure the fuck not foolproof.

More like a guy falling off a crab boat in the Bering Sea, and a guy throwing a line to him. Might catch it, might not, and there's extremely little time to try again.

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