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PostSubject: what makes chimps strong   Wed Apr 15, 2009 5:54 pm

central nervous system inhibition stops us from accessing our full human strength potential
http://www.sciencedaily.com/releases/2009/03/090330200829.htm
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PostSubject: Re: what makes chimps strong   Wed Apr 15, 2009 11:05 pm

Mick Coup talked about this a little at the seminar I took. I think it's called The Gamma Efferent System.
Obviously it's a safety feature and generally a good thing, but overriding perceived limits could obviously be useful in extreme circumstances. It would be interesting to know what our perceived ceiling is, is it 50%, 60%, 80% of our capability?
I am also intrigued by the idea of improving on awareness, and hence potential control of all that subconscious stuff we take for granted.

There's a great story about a guy who goes to China to study martial arts, and during the course of the lesson, the teacher tells him to move his liver 1cm to the left. The student looks blankly at him and the teacher is flabbergasted "It's yours isn't it? Inside your body? How come you have no knowledge of it - what it feels like and how to move it?"

Another story I heard was about one of the De Thouars brothers ...perhaps Willam? One of the ways to test fighting skill back in the day was to fight an ape, or large monkey - apparently it was a very humbling and frightening experience.

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PostSubject: Re: what makes chimps strong   Wed Apr 15, 2009 11:20 pm

Interesting. I've heard about this but never got the specific reasons for it. Seems like we traded power for fine motor skill. We're not fighters, we're engineers. Chimps still beat us in fisticuffs but it seems to work better for us as a species on the large scale. If we don't wipe ourselves out with our own devices of course.

But the power is still there. Considering "... the effect of severe electric shock, where people are often thrown violently by their own extreme muscle contraction..." (from the article) and what happens during tetanus or by strychnine poisoning, where the muscle cramps are strong enough to break bones and tear tendons right off the bone.

Which is pretty much what happens when you access that power. There's a reason we won't normally be able to go there. It's the untold side of the story of that little old lady who lifted the car off the baby. But then again, to a certain extent that's probably got a lot to do with lack of conditioning. Same as if I'd run out right now and start violently throwing around the biggest rocks I could get off the ground. It's bound to result in some kind of muscoloskeletal injuries. A bigger guy might have no such problems were he to do the same with the same hypothetical rocks.

Apropos of conditioning. Didn't that Morris guy? (Steve? I'm BAD with names) at primal gym or what it was write something on training for accessing and harnessing these levels of strength?
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PostSubject: Re: what makes chimps strong   Thu Apr 16, 2009 12:31 pm

intriguing...
gross motor clustering geared for 'all-out', and no inhibition. sounds like the better
end-fantasy of being drunk.

what i think about when it comes to monkeys--other than bananas, dirty bums, bodily,
lice and nasty immuno diseases [in addition to the points in the article]:
they're doing pull-ups all day long
they're weightlifting--clean and jerk/military and other momentum coordination style
powerful lifts/ running on their knuckles
affraid
1.
in short, they're training for explosive sprinter style fast twitch muscle fiber stuff, and
they're keeping their movements simple and specific.

2.
what that triggers in my mind is gross motor training--with combative blasts and simplification
of technique [the tricky stuff coming out at leasure and later].

an aside: i can't tell you the number of times i went all out in trainings, and sports combat, and
had things favor me--but had some minor/non life-threatening and annoying injury as a side reward [broken hand, muscle tear in my leg, blah blah blah]...the adrenaline taking over even as i knew it
was costing me by some indication of a limitation of movement that later ached more and more as
the high wore off. me cursing in self pity on the way home from training/tournament. i think this is
our lot. but at least we get to wear clothes and watch telly.

i'd say we're on the right path--right down to rewriting the script that stay's away from being
being in denial and preparing for surprizing speed, agro, and violence.

we're, in short, skinny and weak gorillas with silverback attitudes.
gents, lets go have a feed, my treat--bananas, leaves, smaller monkeys and lice. next time one of
you lot is buying. scratch lol!

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PostSubject: Re: what makes chimps strong   Sun May 03, 2009 1:28 am

The TRUE secret of chimp strength.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=srdeRi7NRQU&feature=related

They're actually very dedicated to training. they even do martial arts.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=N9M8nDtxPNI&feature=related

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