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PostSubject: angry-violent states whilst working out?   Tue Dec 16, 2008 1:34 pm

am i the only one who gets completely angry working out???
i don't just mean hitting the pads either...i used to powerlift, and if ANYONE was not contributing to the, erm, mood...well, i'd bark out some directive to get the environment back to serious. i never experienced this anywhere else...hang on, okay that's not right...i experienced this when people were trying to eat my food or sniff over it and pull their collective noses. okay, i guess that makes me something along the lines of the emotional development of a labrador retriever--but i digress.

i have memory after memory of feeling angry enough to choke someone if they interrupted this little bit of, uhm...mongo think of good word for this... macho-privacy. okay two words.

i've thrown 100 lb dumbells to the ground (during incline bench), prompting some wannabee jackass' speedy exit of the free weight room (chatting up my ex...who was SUPPOSED to be spotting me).

and recently, the slack jawed hedonist neighbor that has an appetite from what can only be discribed as, "pre-pubescent-looking-thai-jail-bait" attempting to wreck my pad-work because it's keeping him from sleeping (which it isn't, but he is trying to establish scent marking trends along our little street). this interruption of padwork, in no uncertain terms, makes me angry enough to imagine jap slapping him no less than 25 times (my set as it so happens). i don't do this of course because i'm, erm, an adult. but the anger is quite real.

all this to say. anyone else getting this kind of anger working out? or is it just evidence that a once angry person has channeled the anger in some cathartic way into workouts--making it possible for a transfer of anger if interrupted. i mean, i've thought about this...the last explanation is entirely possible for me. but i didn't want to rule out the testosterone level build up or some other phenomenom that all the rest of you lot...i mean gents...are experiencing.
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PostSubject: Re: angry-violent states whilst working out?   Sun Dec 21, 2008 11:31 pm

Everything that works you out hardcore is a good anger outlet. I use to experience this kind of anger years ago this was because I trusted people too much and felt let down by them. I would get angry over things that were out of my control.

These days when I feel angry I replace it with with feeling confident, or happy, or excited, or horny. I learned to use my emotions to give myself an edge in a situation, there are far more productive emotions then anger, to handle a situation thats my 25 cents Very Happy

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PostSubject: Re: angry-violent states whilst working out?   Mon Dec 22, 2008 4:56 am

nice. i've heard you can take one emotion and, well replace it with another--anger to horny-ness lol! . it's worth being master of my emotions. i get the whole fear to anger thing. it's worth it to learn how to channel unproductive anger though. i feel postively boiling at times. i never want this wasted on mundane stuff. need to learn how to try on different hats somehow.
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PostSubject: Re: angry-violent states whilst working out?   Mon Dec 22, 2008 10:38 am

Anger is usually an emotion we feel between what we are expecting and what we receive.

Say for example if you were selling your car and you put it on the market for 3000 but in the end your customer is only willing to give you 1200 pounds. Now you might feel anger towards him as the asking price for your car was already well below the market value.

Now is it right to feel anger towards the customer ? well not until you point it out to him that the car is actually worth 4000 on the market. Or maybe just maybe the guy genuinely cannot afford to pay that price he might be a poor student or just recently hit on bad times with money and now hes got his first job and desperately needs a car yet can only afford to dish out 1200. Again is it right to feel angry ?

A guy hits on my girl in the shopping centre. Do i have the right to be angry ? Well no as it might just be that he never knew she had a boyfriend and well hey if other guys are hitting on her am i not lucky to have her ? Very Happy .

My point is you never know what the other person is thinking or whether he is aware of your situation. So I believe we should reserve judgement and anger till you find out.

On the tube in London people bump into me. Alot of the time they apologise yet if I was in a country like India where its totally maniac when it comes to public transport noone ever apologises. This would piss outsiders off alot. Yet when its the norm as it happens every second of the day and noone ever apologies thats just the way it is.

Dont get me wrong anger is one the most powerful emotions we have as humans. We have a choice anger can be a choice. Obviosly if someone really wants to fuck with me anger is warranted.

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PostSubject: Re: angry-violent states whilst working out?   Mon Dec 22, 2008 9:37 pm

makes sense to me mate. you sound like you've sat in an ashram or are a buddhist. i can't count the numer of times i've heard this one particular swami say, "expectation is the biggest cause of misery". anger in this case. knowing the story behind the motives of someone. or having another vantage point/lens on a situation. all hugely simple yet dependant, i guess, on desiring something more for ourselves. seeing ourselves as a work in process, and not a masterpiece. today's theme, for example, i'm taking my two year old to the loo--he has a special 'lid' so he wont fall in lol! thank god for small mercies. in the middle of kneeling and getting him started, i found that i had kneeled in the previous guy's wee. i know this because this was the 2nd trip in for my son, and the nutter who apparently shut his eyes and belly danced (presumably) whilst emptying his bladder was the only one in between those two trips. my first impulse was to--i was out the door with my son and all, drag the man by his cheek and show the 'bad doggie' what a mess he left. then i ran into the police officer who helped me get him booted permanantly out the store. the more i thought about it. the more i thought... no one in their right mind would do that. this 6 foot plus chinese man was probably out of his gourd. i only had to wash my trousers. his whole life was probably a wash. perspective is just a beast of an inlightening tool if you're really trying to not think like a donkey. in the end--3 hours later, i can laugh at it. if he had been flippant within the first several minutes of me charging out, i'm just not sure how things would progress.
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PostSubject: Re: angry-violent states whilst working out?   Mon Dec 29, 2008 10:52 am

angry state works good, but what i found out in my training, is that an quit calm mind, with determent focus also is a great state to train in.

it s diffucult to stay in the emty mind.. but if you can it works great.

like in the army its the point they pushed you to.. if you cant get the mindset you fall out.
focus on zero, and go. and keep going.
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PostSubject: Re: angry-violent states whilst working out?   Tue Dec 30, 2008 2:52 am

I'm more with you, chulodog. Pure focus more than anger.
Also, there's single point focus, and then there's open, gazing focus. Very different feelings, and both I think interesting to play with.
I don't think I do 'angry' very much - but perhaps I should practice accessing it more and converting it to physical power ...... You got me thinking now ...!
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PostSubject: Re: angry-violent states whilst working out?   Tue Dec 30, 2008 7:29 am

...probably just me then. there have been times when i've been 'in the zone'. this is a cool feeling, but it is fleeting by comparison to the passion, etc...that sometimes gets a hold of me. what i do notice is that while the former state is nice to maintain, minimally injurious and zen like--nothing to scoff at either; the latter is sort of risk takingly dicey for self injuries but also for moving ahead and gaining new ground. again, maybe just me. but i suppose either can be okay, perhaps a balance is better still. i've noticed though that in powerlifting (long ago) and training/conditioning for fighting, most of my gains come from heaps of that anger where i've thrown caution to the wind and discovered something outside the realms of what i might have thought reasonable in the absense of said consuming anger. i've strained the wee bones in my wrist not showing proper form at this level of intensity whilst letting go of a jap slap...and on the other hand, the same intensity on my opposite arm left me mildly shocked at what i could do. i hate injuries, but i also find mediocracy difficult as well--not suggesting that the zen state is nurturing any mediocracy in you guys (saying this now before any feathers get ruffled..), only that i find most of my gains--even when i was an early teen surfer (for that matter) came from being so fooking incensed that i needed to see something grand not now, but yesterday. i suppose it's part of my personality (as i write this i'm more aware of a pattern) but also part of my need to get a release in some of the things that have peaved me along the way. funny to think about now. i used to surf and get really shit-angry trying to paddle back out past the big waves in the 'outerbanks' (buxton north carolina...for anyone who cares) when i was starting out. i used to crash my arms in the waves cursing and getting tossed back as i came back angrier and faster each time. nutjob--me. i should have been gaining all sorts of zen treasures like, 'flow like water'. but i was even fighting water lol!
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PostSubject: Re: angry-violent states whilst working out?   Tue Dec 30, 2008 10:18 pm

Seems to me that the 'irrationality' of intense emotion can indeed take you to places you didn't know you were capable of going, but as you point out, there are risks involved - injury etc.
Also, if like me, you don't get wound up too easy, It's still useful to practice I think, so you don't freeze from the adrenal surge of a real encounter. I know I can focus quite well and I have good intent, but the high intensity emotions are more random and uncontrollable so probably worth working with also.
With the idea that this is all just energy moving through you, I'm sure it would be good to practice transmuting one type of energy into something else ... In the context of fighting, transforming anger/rage into focused intent and the will to survive. Transforming fear into action. Fear - to anger - to action, also.
I'm guessing that I'm in the right place with the NLP and all, to explore this. Very Happy
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PostSubject: Re: angry-violent states whilst working out?   Wed Dec 31, 2008 1:10 pm

good point(s). i must say, i'd pay good money to have the afternoon off from my emotions. wanna switch personalities??? is that possible? scratch

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PostSubject: Re: angry-violent states whilst working out?   Fri Jan 02, 2009 3:46 pm

HAHA Russell! That might be highly entertaining ....or else we'd both end up in jail!
I think you exaggerate though .... thought you did alot of 'sitting on your arse' practice?
Oooh, perhaps you could bench press in half lotus ...it might just work bom lol!
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