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PostSubject: richie gets into a scrap   Sun Aug 10, 2008 10:56 am

its been a good couple of years since i had to give someone a proper dig, but believe it or not I had to yesterday- it was a good "learn"... will go into more depth when i get time but for now:

-headbutting is good, despite the resitance our american cousins have to throwing out the old noggin- its just the best tool for the job at "fronting" range

-punching is a very range specific tool!

-like head controls- hammerfists to the neck wont work unless you make sure the head is right down low, in which case there are probably more expedient options available

-going out without your mobile phone fully charged is a bad habit

-at the risk of your friends thinking you are a paranoid nutjob, you should have some kind of game plan when your with mates who dont train

the whole thing makes me think how important/useful it is to have a task specific game plan that you have drilled into unconsciousness, whilst i wouldnt say it must have certain "techniques" or "moves" in there it MUST answer certain questions and fulfill certain objectives
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PostSubject: Re: richie gets into a scrap   Sun Aug 10, 2008 11:42 am

Looking forward to you explaining a bit further. I understand your point about how your friends will react around your actions I found that last night in a club that they are more likely to be a hindrance than a help unless they are schooled in a martial art.


Grrrrr I want to learn to headbut!
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PostSubject: Re: richie gets into a scrap   Sun Aug 10, 2008 1:15 pm

part of the plan could be, allways wearing a sort of pocket stick at your keys..
great benifit if it comes to a fight!
and allowed in a pub or disco to carry.. because its a hidden weapon...
very very effective..
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PostSubject: Re: richie gets into a scrap   Sun Aug 10, 2008 1:55 pm

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-at the risk of your friends thinking you are a paranoid nutjob, you should have some kind of game plan when your with mates who dont train

the whole thing makes me think how important/useful it is to have a task specific game plan that you have drilled into unconsciousness, whilst i wouldnt say it must have certain "techniques" or "moves" in there it MUST answer certain questions and fulfill certain objectives

depends on your mates.

untested mates who say "i'll back you up" etc. and then when it kicks off they are no where to be seen has always really gripped my shit. not everyone is capable of having a tear up, but i wish they wouldn't act like they are.

that said, a game plan is always a good idea, but my mates always think i'm paranoid. the "it'll never happen, don't worry about it" attitude is something i've always had trouble with. do people think that when something awful happens that person went out that day thinking they would be attacked (or whatever), why would they have left the house if they did?
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PostSubject: Re: richie gets into a scrap   Sun Aug 10, 2008 11:03 pm

Many people think that the bigger crowd you have with you the better off you are. Its true in one sense if they are all switched on and not drunk off their ass.

A have a mate that got into a scrap with another guy that tried to pull out a switchblade. After he got the guy to the ground his own friends pulled him off of the guy and told him to stop over reacting. The guy then got up and burried the knife into his stomache(he was 10minutes away from a hospital and was fine). But i mean when people dont understand the seriousness of a situation they can be a severe handicap.
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PostSubject: Re: richie gets into a scrap   Sun Aug 10, 2008 11:41 pm

sounds like you did alright...glad to hear it, and i'd like to hear about it too. i hope you have a necklace with bits of them
hanging on it for keepsakes, and the emotional scar makes them waking up screaming for years to come. the bit about
non fighting friends and contingencies, that makes sense. good post-evaluation of what is generally the case.
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PostSubject: Re: richie gets into a scrap   Wed Aug 13, 2008 12:08 pm

the bit about punching range struck a chord too. i was running/jogging with my ex, year ago that is--now i'd run from her. anyway, this giant
oaf-ie guy start jogging behind as if he was mentally, err, intimately imagining...well we was a big wanker. i think my one line was, "hey
dude, i don't think so." he actually came full speed/throttle at me and i think i was ready long before so i through what was supposed to be
the world best hook-punch. i mean the heavens were supposed to open up and people were supposed to be caught mouth-agape at the
spectacle that should have been his head spinning around in a fucking circle with his big fat body too slow to catch up with the centrifugal
force. he backed his giant head at the last critical nano-second. he was shaken by what he knew i was prepared for, but it was--to say the
least, really really annoying. i wanted him flat on his fat ass. at this point, of course, my ex-wife started yelling at me to, 'leave him alone'.
huh? anyway, this actually furthor psyched him out and it ended with me spitting at him before i continued yet another fun jog with my
ex. the moral for me was never ever throw a fucking hook unless we're grappling range--and maybe even a little head control with the
other hand would be nice too.

range specific is an important thing.
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PostSubject: Re: richie gets into a scrap   Wed Aug 20, 2008 5:35 pm

I'm very interested in hearing more details Question
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PostSubject: Re: richie gets into a scrap   Fri Aug 22, 2008 5:21 pm

All fight stories are much of a muchness though arent they?

taxi rank + alchohol + rudeness = headbutt punch into the wall and hammer fist/ knee combo


the end

hardly the tale of thermopylae is it? bounce
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PostSubject: Re: richie gets into a scrap   Sat Aug 23, 2008 8:12 am

Rich, so you led with the headbutt then as he was falling backwards a punch then as he slumped against a wall a hammer fist and knee combo.

You must have caused quite abit of damage? Have you had a few sleepless nights waiting for the knock? or did you hold back abit.

Did your headbutt hit full on in the face?

Can you remember were you struck with your fist, did you damege your knuckles?

Was he a big threat or just a drunken tool? thinking back do you think you could of got away with a bitch slap?

Was you drunk aswell?

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PostSubject: Re: richie gets into a scrap   Sat Aug 23, 2008 12:09 pm

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Rich, so you led with the headbutt then as he was falling backwards a punch then as he slumped against a wall a hammer fist and knee combo.

sort of drove him back into the wall with a series of stright punches, but yeah thats it



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You must have caused quite abit of damage? Have you had a few sleepless nights waiting for the knock? or did you hold back abit.

i didnt cause that much damage really, the headbutt was an unset little clipper that i threw sort of backwards that bust his nose, the punches going back will have given his face some lumps, but he was moving away which drains the impact doesnt it? the hammerfists were fucking useless and I'm not drilling them again, the knees to the head/face would of smashed him to bits but my mate was puling backwards so i only got one little chipping knee into his forehead... it was fair enough, he had had enough punishment proportionate to his sin (spitting on a girls foot) so i couldnt complain

it was abroad so i wasnt worried about the knock, a drunken englishmen slapping a drunken irishman is no big deal to the police of that country

i was a big gutted about the lack of damage cause actually! and I now have a big fat middle knuckle, doesnt hurt, but wont go down
it was a good learning, made me realise the need to solo drill palm strikes and such as much (or more) as I was shadow boxing with fists,
also reinforced that power comes from the feet and legs, if your feetlegs arent set because your panic punching and wearing slippy flip flops your hands have no real power other than to shock/frighten the guy into covering up

also hammer fists to the neck? there just isnt enough power or weight to them and the neck is a big chunky thing that doesnt snap on imapct- i wont be drilling/using/teaching them again... if the head goes down, head control and smash the skull with knees... maybe a low level palm strike as a softener

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Did your headbutt hit full on in the face?
yes it did I suppose but I didnt drag him into it and there was no chambering at all

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Can you remember were you struck with your fist, did you damege your knuckles?
Im a bit blank from when I took my sunglasses off and decided if I didnt attack him he was going to go for me so I may as well just get mine in first to when my mate is pulling my shoulders back, must of hit his forehead in the flurry, as I say 2 weeks now and my knuckle looks like Im doing makiwara training!

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Was he a big threat or just a drunken tool? thinking back do you think you could of got away with a bitch slap?

Was you drunk aswell?

I had been drinking for 8 hours in direct sunlight- I was burnt and fooked!
He was a nasty fucker, maybe a cracky, Im not sure. Taller than me, but slimmer (quelle surpise!). I had a go at him for shoving his way to the front of the taxi queue and then whe he got knocked back by the cabby he spat on a girl in the front of the queues feet.

I went "what the faaaaack...?" and he stared at me and I stared back (in shock) then he stood behind and to the left of me in the queue and I knew it was on like donkey kong!
He goes "where are ye fram boy?"
I thought about saying something clever like "I just got back from your mums house actually" but managed to get my head together enough to say "Im from a place where we dont spit on womens feet" ...???? bizzare I know but I knew we were going to have it so it was all just a formality at this point.
Removing my girlfriends pink beach bag from my shoulder and taking off my sunglasses he remarked
"oh really? well you arse must be sore then"
... it wasnt the type of intellectual fencing you can be proud of afterwards
thats when I thought "there is realy no point saying anything else, he is gearing up for some of the old violence" and started giving it to him
bish bash bosh
we jumped in a taxi and were away


ps I made all this up for entertainment purposes only and or it happened to a friend of mine and im relating the story in the first person for the sake of clarity
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PostSubject: Re: richie gets into a scrap   Sat Aug 23, 2008 4:15 pm

Interesting analysis Richie. Funny, as I read the bit about the swollen finger I was thinking palm heels, and then, sure enough, you bring them up yourself. You performed well. After that amount of beers, I'd have been comatose.
On the subject of hammer fists, am I correct in thinking he was bent over, and you brought your strike down from overhead? The reason I ask is, that I have toyed with the idea of bringing a hammer fist strike, in a sideways action, directed towards the side of the neck/jaw, as a strike to utilize after I have jammed the arm in a knife attack, and as a result have turned a little side on to the attacker. From there transitioning into a shredder style attack and driving backwards.
The strike I describe, if you can visualize it - If you can't the fault is purely my own, it is hard with words alone - would utilize a lot of torso twist, giving more power than just the usual arm strike. Yet given your experience, I would value your views on its efficacy. Btw, I am 6' 260lbs, so of course my size has to be factored in.
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PostSubject: Re: richie gets into a scrap   Mon Aug 25, 2008 4:41 pm

DO you mean like a bunkai applied downward karate block type of thingy?
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PostSubject: Re: richie gets into a scrap   Mon Aug 25, 2008 6:17 pm

On your part, yes, was your hammer fist like a downward Karate chop?
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PostSubject: Re: richie gets into a scrap   Mon Aug 25, 2008 11:38 pm

yeah I think so, not really sure... maybe more like a "hit you with my handbag" motion more than a karate chop

when i think karate chop I think straight down like brickbreaking, but karate block (as a strike) I think swinging into the target to the side- have I got you right? Im confused drunken
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PostSubject: Re: richie gets into a scrap   Tue Aug 26, 2008 12:46 am

i was enjoying the read. and while i haven't thrown this in a fight (i wish i had) really is good for generating power on the pads. i used to
do it on the pads with the flesh on my outside hand--like a karati-ish chop thrown sloppy (straight arming it and using my waist and leaning
into the pads...). it hits the pads like a bat. i changed to a fist--don't know why, but i guess that made it a hammer fist. i'm not sure i gained
any power. but there was less of a risk of thwacking my fingers. anyhoo, i haven't used it, i think i can picture it, and i used to teach it until
i got all 'purist' like and started teaching only stuff that 'had' worked for me. a faze. i'll probably pick it up again. i've used it in a tournament
and it hits hard (not even twisting as much back then--now i'm really into making my back do most of the work). anyway, i'm interested
because of the dialogue. fixating now on it. hmm...i am about to go to my pads/bag thingy...
sorry to eves-drop. just jumping in if you guys don't mind.

by the way. i like your synopsis on the fight Richie. when i was young and got into stuff because of my age, i was more non chalant about
it if it happened. it's been so long that if it happened to me now i'd probably chatter on about it like a school girl. kudos to you samurai. now
i fondly remember (not for the sake of fighting) times when my mum would ask me if i got into a fight, and truly hadn't remembered when
she asked or i should say 'until she asked' otherwise you'll think me a complete nutter. i like this place mentally. the calm. i think i'll have to train alot, and meditate alot for it now. i think i should be grateful for this, but maybe you understand what i'm saying anyway.

okay, i'm busted for being on the computer. my wife wants it. i'm going to go train.
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PostSubject: Re: richie gets into a scrap   Tue Aug 26, 2008 3:58 am

Richie, I think so mate. I have never trained Karate, so am largely ignorant of the moves involved but what you describe sounds correct.
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PostSubject: Re: richie gets into a scrap   Wed Aug 27, 2008 9:22 am

Ha! I told me friends this story and they ripped me for it "oooh dont spit in front of me, Ill get a cob on"- bastards! this is not the fear and respect I expect as a deadly ninja master! Razz

I hit him with the "righteous indignation fist" for insulting the honour of a womans beach sandal lol!
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PostSubject: Re: richie gets into a scrap   Sat Sep 27, 2008 12:29 pm

Hey Ricihie, how about a putting up a vid of the encounter and a debrief?

Do have preplaned SOPs with Rach? EG ur in a pub or someplace and you detect danger and may say to her a predetermined code /phrase...like Rach..I'm breaking up with u, get lost or similiar.." that's one less person to divert ur attention from ur goal of controlling the situation...Umm, say this scenario, where Kenny the blk dude roleplayed a guy with no skills with a Napoleon Complex and while did...During the debrief ,u'll notice that the white dude's statement that just having to worry about his friend's as well (additional variable ) as his own physical safety really changed the outcome..Yeah, so I tell guys who go to clubs, the one who they know won't join in the fight , to as least for crips sake go alert the bouncsers...etc....

Bar Scenario with your drunken idiot friend.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gWsRTGUYMsI

Hey Richie, I want to fave some of ur vids but you have 200 or so, what 5 or 6 would u suggest as most important you'd like?

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PostSubject: Re: richie gets into a scrap   Sat Sep 27, 2008 2:20 pm

hey warren wondered where you had gone mate, nice to have you back
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PostSubject: Re: richie gets into a scrap   Sun Sep 28, 2008 1:13 am

thank you Richie ,
Ummm had a bit of a crisis belief systemwise with the womenz thing : Sad !
This stuff is much more within the old comfort zone ..Ur right Richie, attitude/belief changes has to bome before behaveriol change or u'll at I had a halg PTSD type meltdown

HOw'd ur incidental striking /face mauling DVD coming out soon??

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PostSubject: Re: richie gets into a scrap   Sun Sep 28, 2008 9:56 am

delivery system still in development mate, but early next year will be ready Very Happy
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