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PostSubject: Power vs Effect video   Power vs Effect video EmptyFri Jul 25, 2008 3:43 pm

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=horQflGqklE



any opinions on this?
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PostSubject: Re: Power vs Effect video   Power vs Effect video EmptySat Jul 26, 2008 12:36 am

i think it would be fair to say that ... Effect = Deception+ Shot Placement + Power

isnt deception only useful before its all gone physical? and surely shot placement shouldnt be relied on after its gone ballistic. hence it ultimately falls back to power.

but yeah for pre-emptive strikes i guess deception is key. but if this is our main focus then how have we progressed from what was taught in this field 15 yrs ago? ie all the focus on pre-emptive strikes and brain engagement.
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PostSubject: Re: Power vs Effect video   Power vs Effect video EmptySat Jul 26, 2008 6:49 am

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isnt deception only useful before its all gone physical? and surely shot placement shouldnt be relied on after its gone ballistic.

wasnt really talking about deception in the video but its interesting you interpreted it at that way... yes shot placement SHOULD be relied upon after its gone ballistic! wasnt there a massive thread about this on the GT forum? ah, thems where the days Very Happy
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PostSubject: Re: Power vs Effect video   Power vs Effect video EmptySun Jul 27, 2008 7:10 am

Power is effectively useless if you havent got the precision to hit the target and in the right place. I understand why you want to go through the motion slowly, to become fluid and also like you say, to get a feel of the pressure's/resistance of the target, flesh and bone etc and what you should be feeling in a good connected strike. And as for the last section (40sec's or so) getting it in to your nerology its like learning a piece of music (im a guitarist so we'll say a guitar lick) you'd learn it at a really slow speed so there's no mistakes in the lick, then by playing it over and over you keep your precision and the speed will come naturally as it sinks in to your brain and muscle memory.
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PostSubject: Re: Power vs Effect video   Power vs Effect video EmptySun Jul 27, 2008 7:57 am

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yes shot placement SHOULD be relied upon after its gone ballistic!

relied upon or just seen as a realistic possibility if one puts in a lot of time training for it?
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PostSubject: Re: Power vs Effect video   Power vs Effect video EmptySun Jul 27, 2008 11:42 am

nearly mate...

you can only RELY on skills that one has "put a long time in training for" ... there is NOTHING else


(this may be different to the point of view I had when we met in London, but a LOT has happened in the last 2 years and Ive had a lot of martial arts residual "mung" beaten out of me plus Ive had more time to do more of my own research)


Very Happy
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PostSubject: Re: Power vs Effect video   Power vs Effect video EmptySun Jul 27, 2008 11:45 am

also

the main thrust of the point im trying to make here is that power alone is futile without skillful shot placement and skill

and that you have to fight for your right to land your favoured shot

really I see that many people have got stuck in a bit of a "power trap" in their training... more and more power does not equal more and more "effect" of fighting capability

skillful application is much more important than power, though without any power its effing useless too pirat
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PostSubject: Re: Power vs Effect video   Power vs Effect video EmptySun Jul 27, 2008 8:56 pm

i really like this ...hit before they're prepared to tense up stuff... i have a nice muscle memory experience from it, it came from the way
i used to keep my hands low and sort of punch up without alot of muscle tension. i still drool over the thwack-head-back thingy (inward
exocist giggle happening now). but not from the street. from when i was a new-bie 'brownbelt' in shotokan, sparring a flashy dickhead
'blackbelt' before a prestigious tournament. i know it was only sport, but it still feels really yummy to re-live.
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PostSubject: Re: Power vs Effect video   Power vs Effect video EmptyMon Jul 28, 2008 12:08 am

Cool Concpts Richie

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the main thrust of the point im trying to make here is that power alone is futile without skillful shot placement and skill

The shot u don't see coming is the one that does the most damage(it depends)
what good is power if u don't land ur shot hit ur target?
Ergo the importance of not telegraphing ur intention, accuracy , and economy of movement (Xmove)
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more and more power does not equal more and more "effect" of fighting capability
That's like spending all ur time hitting the heavy bag and neglecting the double end bag or sparring scratch
Common sense to crawl,before u walk,before u run
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PostSubject: Re: Power vs Effect video   Power vs Effect video EmptyWed Aug 13, 2008 4:50 pm

Oh, thank you thank you thank you!! This is the first of your videos where you talk about the disadvantage women have and how to overcome this disadvantage.

What I got from your video is two things: don't telegraph/preemptive strike and for a woman because this is something I know I need to work on. Acutally hit a human, even if it isn't at full force learn what it feels like to hit a human head, and practice the follow through with each slow motion shot. That way I get the muscle memory even if it is slowed down.

Let me know if that is what you are saying in the video. Or if I am missing something more!! Very Happy
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PostSubject: Re: Power vs Effect video   Power vs Effect video EmptyWed Aug 13, 2008 5:17 pm

you got it Cool
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PostSubject: Re: Power vs Effect video   Power vs Effect video EmptyWed Aug 13, 2008 5:19 pm

Cool, I forwarded on this video to my instructor, so hopefully we will do something with this in class this week! cheers Woo Hoo!!!
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