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PostSubject: frequent bodybuilding   Thu Jan 07, 2010 2:56 am

ive always wondered if the BIG rule of bodybuildiung was true..ive always herd that u HAVE to wait 48 hours before training a muscle group again to let it rest and recuperate...well out of all the years of my training i have gotten the best results from training very frequently..when i was 18 i gained an inch on my biceps from doing curls everyday..and lots of them..its the same thing when doing hard labour..guys who lift heavy objects everyday and do lots of construction are very physicallt fit and pretty buff..alot buffer then ur average gym rat..anyways heres an article i found thats pretty interesting..enjoy!!

http://www.tmuscle.com/free_online_article/sports_body_training_performance/bodybuildings_next_frontier
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PostSubject: Re: frequent bodybuilding   Thu Jan 07, 2010 3:49 am

heres another good article on frequent bodybuilding from Pavel Tsatsouline...

http://humanmachine.wordpress.com/2007/06/22/grease-the-groove-for-strength/
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PostSubject: Re: frequent bodybuilding   Thu Jan 07, 2010 5:17 am

Interesting read.

It's strange but it seems that whenever you actually start looking for factual information about things. The surface is revealed to be all bullshit. It happened to martial arts. It happened to psychology. I'm seeing it in training. I stumbled upon this little thing.

http://www.truthaboutprotein.com/how-much-protein

From what I've seen those guys share pretty high quality information. http://blog.adonislifestyle.com/ Think I stumbled upon it all when searching for brain-hacking psychology stuff. I think they came from the seduction angle.

I always believed protein was what everyone said it was. I remember seeing co-workers preparing their mountains of eggs and meat for lunch, along with their shakers. I almost began to say something, but thought to myself that it wasn't worth the bother. You know. Religion... Laughing

Crap. So many lies, so much bullshit. So much unquestioning acceptance. These days I'm mostly just a big questionmark on legs. It seems that unless you actually know and understand every element and chain of the process of whatever it is, you actually can't tell the truth from Daffy Duck.

Food that's supposed to be healthy for instance. Apples, yum yum. "healty, eat a lot" they tell you. But apparently they spray those things with so much pesticide they're mostly just poison. What? And salmon. Yum yum. "eat a lot of that too" they tell you. "because it's healthy" but they contain so much crap it's only safe to eat two meals of that a YEAR. Whattaffff? And milk. "very very important, drink lots of milk" they tell you. But because of all the crap they do to it, it too is nothing but toxic gunk. I don't know if they do that much to it here in Norway, but despite the claims that it's good for the bones, the country has one of the higher rates of osteoporosis in the world. Oh... Well that's just peachy. And even vitamins in excess are harmful. Not even talking about actual A or D poisoning but just general frequent consumption.

And if looking beyond all that for a while. To quote someone quoting someone else.
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Mark Steyn made an interesting observation in relation to healthcare -- US style versus EU socialized, versus having a bloody civil war...

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Life expectancy in the European Union 78.7 years; life expectancy in the United States 78.06 years; life expectancy in Albania 77.6 years; life expectancy in Libya, 76.88 years; life expectancy in Bosnia & Herzegovina, 78.17 years. Once you get on top of childhood mortality and basic hygiene, everything else is peripheral margin-of-error territory.

There are a lot of old geezers around who have lived an entire life doing the opposite of whatever healthy is. Beer, fat, white bread, laziness. The only thing you can realistically aspire to through diet and lifestyle is avoiding the lifestyle diseases and generally functioning more smoothly into old age. Not bad at all. But it's a far cry from the picture painted by the "experts" about certain imminent death on one hand and pleasant immortality on the other. Laughing

Bah! I'm a questionmark, and I'm heading back to the stone age. Just to catch a glimpse of what things looked like before the world got turned upside down.

Hahaha. Rant and rave huh?


In short, I like the article. I like the Pavel Tsatsouline article too. Currently I'm moving from messing with weights and the hassle of going to and from gyms, instead trying my hand at his "naked warrior" stuff. Intensity and frequency, and most of all, simplicity.

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PostSubject: Re: frequent bodybuilding   Thu Jan 07, 2010 7:39 am

RichardB i agree with you 100%..

theres so much bullshit out there its crazy lol...ive seen it myself..for example, alot of the tough guys who i know at the local bar i go to who are actually extremely fucking tough..these guys will pull ur head outta ur ass without even thinking about it lol they pratically live on cigarettes and beer and work on oil rigs or do construction...here i am working out 3 hours a day..hitting the weights..doing my martial arts and eating my protien...all that stuff we are supposed to do and they are still bigger, stronger and probly even healthier then me lol WTF!!scratch

im not saying u have to smoke cigarettes and drink a shitload of beer but it kinda makes a person think a bit..i still firmly beleive in a good excersise program and diet but to actually go ape shit on everything like these guys in muscle magazines tell u to do is absolute rubbish!! i think it can be a bit unhelathy to be honest with u..i have friends that are absolutly upsessed with bodybuilding...they have lost gf's and close friends because of it..absolutly crazy lol..

and most of these guys in these magazines have good genetics to begin with and take massive amounts of steroids to maintain a physique like they do..they still have to train hard and all that BS but thats not the point..its very misleading!! a very good documentry to watch is "bigger stronger faster" its about the rapidly growing use of steroids in sports..very interesting..basically shows u the pros and cons of steroids and show how some athletes mislead ppl saying that they are all natural but are really not....very debateable subject..kinda the same as the legalization of marijuanna but im way off topic here lol just thought i'd do a bit of ranting and raving also lol

heres the trailer to that movie bigger stronger faster



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PostSubject: Re: frequent bodybuilding   Thu Jan 07, 2010 8:17 am

1. training frequently and with not very heavy weights is how I have always weight trained and putting on mass has never been a problem for me- I am the type of person that guy in the article would have been looking for "someone who builds muscle without trying"- I never set out to get big, but I am, compared to the average chap - I very rarely go for any kind of set that would be less than 6 or 7 reps
usually 10 to 15 and I do a lot of sets

2. this protein thing is a new one on me, Ive subscribed to his newsletter and will do more research
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"Everything the muscle building magazines said, everything I'd read in online forums, everything they teach personal trainers and nutritionists, everything the supplement companies were saying...all pointed to one simple conclusion.

Protein really had virtually no backing to it AT ALL."

if I can find an external source that says protein as a musclebuilder has no scientifica basis AT ALL believe me I'll be shouting that one from the rooftops, but somehow I highly highly doubt it

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PostSubject: Re: frequent bodybuilding   Thu Jan 07, 2010 10:08 am

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"Everything the muscle building magazines said, everything I'd read in online forums, everything they teach personal trainers and nutritionists, everything the supplement companies were saying...all pointed to one simple conclusion.

Protein really had virtually no backing to it AT ALL."

this is straight from the brad pilon site you posted the link for Rich B and its total bullshit, having caught the guy in one clanger of a lie I cant help but put the question mark on everything else

I wont post them individually here but Iv just favourited a load of stuff on my youtube to do with "protein ebing unnecessary to bodybuilding and Ill tell you, Ive only looked a bit but it SEEMS TO ME at this point that people have found a great way of getting attention for their weight loss/ bodybuilding systems: by exagerating the lack of value protein has to bodybuiling because its controversial

http://www.youtube.com/user/streetfightsecrets?blend=1&ob=4#p/f


show me a body builder who is pure veggie, nor protein supplements or who is cut and large and strong from eating macdonalds and cookies and I'll change my tune

still looking

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PostSubject: Re: frequent bodybuilding   Thu Jan 07, 2010 10:27 am

perfect example of the total intellectual dishonesty of the "protein myth busting brigade"



step 1. double click on this guysvideo of him "busting the protein myth"

step 2. click the top video on the related videos on the right

step 3. step back in awe at the advert for sunwarrior protein supplements for vegans


ah he was busting ANOTHER protein myth that only ANIMAL proteins allow you to grow muscle... not that "you dont need to eat a lot of protein to build muscle"

silly fucking me


sorry Rich B but unless you can show me some pics of a really big strong ripped chap who doesnt choke down a LOT of protein every day or that you've made big gains in size and strength yourself eating crakcers Im afraid Im sticking with the so called "myth" = protein equals strength and muscle


a vegan diet may be better for you, thats not the issue

many people may over eat protein thiking it will make them big on its own, again not the fucking issue

protein supplements may be very bad for you, well its powder and chemicals, so.... dur... again not the issue


these people are talking shite to make money

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PostSubject: Re: frequent bodybuilding   Thu Jan 07, 2010 10:40 am

ok final bit of rant then I must stop

intellectual dishonesty again

http://www.stevepavlina.com/blog/2005/09/the-great-protein-myth/

he mentions two "myths" one that plants dont have that much protein in

thats not a myth thats a fact, how much lettuce would I need to eat a day to stay as strong and heavy as I am now for fcuks sake

two that protein from vegs is incomplete... erm... thats NOT part of the "great protein myth"


if people want to go veggie or vegan, more power to them but IT PISSES ME OFF when people try and tell me you can stay just as muscular on those diets when you clearly, observably can NOT


dont get me wrong, I know protein shakes are bad for your digestive system and that we simply arent designed to eat that much dead animal meat (digestive system is too long and it starts to rot on the way out)

but that isnt the point?

do you need protein to build muscle?

yes

do you need to stuff that to be stronger and bigger than average?

hell yes

woollly thinking or intellectual dishonesty


or outright lying




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"Everything the muscle building magazines said, everything I'd read in online forums, everything they teach personal trainers and nutritionists, everything the supplement companies were saying...all pointed to one simple conclusion.

Protein really had virtually no backing to it AT ALL."

the people who compete in bodybuilding contests and the diets they follow are not evidence?

or are some of them secretly on low protein diets, high carb diets but are just being coy about saying so?

please

ok rant over

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PostSubject: Re: frequent bodybuilding   Thu Jan 07, 2010 10:58 am

i think i'd have to agree with richie on this one lol..

what kinda training routine do u do riche..like how frequently do u train ur muscles??
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PostSubject: Re: frequent bodybuilding   Thu Jan 07, 2010 10:59 am

lol by richie i mean richard grannon not RichardB lol sorry for the confusion if there was any haha
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PostSubject: Re: frequent bodybuilding   Thu Jan 07, 2010 11:07 am

the question presupposes I follow a plan

which I dont Laughing

5 days a week if Im on it

1 a week if Im not


ur goin to ask me if I do split routines and things now arent you? Very Happy


my routines are "whatever I feel needs working on the day, whatever feels right"



as a follow up to the protein thing, I did 5 days of actually following a bodybuilding diet, eating 5 to 6 times a day, most meals chicken, some veg some fruit and some protein shakes and it fucked my digestive system

So Im not doin it any more, to be clear, too much dead animal and protein shakes are bad

but if you want to be big and strong they are a necessary evil

a mate of my mums is 71, she follows now a piurely raw vegan diet since her heart attack 2 years ago: she looks amazing, skin eyes, hair and is full of energy - if I wanted a diet for a long healthy life I will investigate further

she also recommends the sunwarrior vegan protein supplement (she plays a lot of tennis and she thinks / believes she needs it)
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PostSubject: Re: frequent bodybuilding   Thu Jan 07, 2010 11:28 am

interesting...instinctive training, less confusion that way...i just currently changed my routine..i did the pushups and curls workout which is great but i think its time for a small change..instead i do close grip bench press 5 sets of 5 with 185lbs then alternate dumbbell curls 50lbs 2 sets of 10reps..then i'll shadow boxing with 5lb dumbbells and a bit of skipping..i do that everyday..started it last week and have been getting pretty good results so far in only a week..im following the ''grease the groove" workout that pavel tsatsouline recommended in the second reply i put on this topic...

one interesting training theory i tried a few years back was mike mentzers HIT...very intense workouts but i just cant go into the gym for 10 mins and do a workout to me thats just to short..i got good strength results but still didnt favor the routines...although a whole body workout 2-3 times a week can be good but i like to stick with what worx for me..and thats high frequency training
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PostSubject: Re: frequent bodybuilding   Thu Jan 07, 2010 1:36 pm

this is me 2p, i agree with Richie BTW, but have some points i hope supplement but
not make redundant the point--among others to make. also would like to say that
training every day is possible even when you desire rest--just not the same movements.
i like training 4 to 6 days a week too. it represents my 'meds', my daily intake of
endorphins, my quiet time away from mundane chatter, and main stream subjects
that really don't reflect or benefit my life. it is my zen time, regardless of how chaotic
i chose to simulate the conditions. my lab. my ashram. my god. give me a diety with
muscles--rama i guess, maybe shiva. scratch


i used to know a bloke who did push ups every day, an amaizing black belt who
routinely swept the tournaments as grand champion--a chef who played with
knives and did a knife form that made people gasp [oooo....aaaaah]. he did
500 push ups a day. what i noticed, he did sets of 25. the everyday crowd, even
when they draw mucho respect, lend toward pacing themselves...they have to.
this is good if it's fitness, but if you're hell bent on macho numbers that reflect
the anaerobic vs. the aerobic, you may desire the break in the routine. it's valid.
i used to overtrain because i was obsessed, and even dislocated a shoulder for
all the benching i was doing--not to mention buggering a rotator cuff in the shoulder
routinely.

back to pushups, i just did one set--i was his antithesis. i built up to [at 18 yrs of age]
one set of 500 reps. i did it in however long it was--can't say...30 minutes-ish, taking
in grunting moments of holding the position and whining. the rest of my day was mine,
as this reflected my sensibilities--his day [doing the math now] was spread out over
20 sets. he was 'the push up guy'. i just did my pushups and moved on. so there's
the obsession part of it, the "what about one's other hats to wear" side as well.

not knocking either vantage point just now, only showing what can happen. i've seen
those rock hard construction fellas too--not the village people, and worked with them
to a lesser than degree as the new lackie. they pace themselves too and 'poo-poo'
on the over zealous. i didn't listen [in the every day crowd now being overzealous]
and fetched a spotting injury that affected my work enough to have to work in a pansy
record store for some time. just some food for thought. coming from someone who
actually does LOVE to work out. but i'm obsessed with getting a 'quality' over 'quantity'
theme brewing. i've dabbled in both and found that if i can do one with less time, there's
a balance in my life and something to look forward to [psychologically speaking] before
my next workout--which i'm more than happy to angrily push the limits for.

i always like the 10 to 15 range--but would frequently get slowly sucked down to 5 [still
macho on the brain until 30]...i'd go over the edge till the 1 to 3 range and start getting
regular injuries. in the end it sort of became 5 to 12--if i could keep that honest i only
had the odd injury that everyone had every once in a blue moon.

it was the same with MA. the guys obsessed, really knew how to keep themselves injury
free, almost seemed to perpetually hold back. but my energy level, spirit, hunger--etc...
was always off the charts at 3 days a week [dojo days]. i'd get the odd injury, but not as
much as the once a week crowd. it was a balance that helped me push upward for advancing
my skill sets. i still admit to envying the non injury hold back crowd, but didn't like [back then]
the mediocracy they represented.

on a similar note--shakes and meat not-with-standing. there are other reasons to sort of find
one's own version of balance within a reality that still strives to grow and test the limits...check
this article out [and whilst my diet is strict vegetarian--not vegan for my breakfast whey shakes]
i've NEVER seen [in numbers] the meat eaters [even when lean] smaller then the vegans.
an individual always shows up to bust a myth. but the majority speak for themselves. when i
ate heaps of meat, my biceps were 18 inches around, now they're about 16--and have been
even in the weight lifting days when i first when predominantly veg--with the odd turkey breast
and other lean insipid food of the day.

the article///[main message which i extrapolated...don't forget to enjoy what you do, if you are
staying with it...a quality of life issue

By: Kerry Dulin

I am about to touch upon a subject that is given little attention within the culture of bodybuilding. A quick internet search will show that the topic is skittishly danced around and / or avoided completely. In writing this I am going to incorporate an element of personal and brutal honesty. What I am asking of you is to do the same. Be honest, truly honest with yourself as you read this. In doing so, the goal is to make ourselves more complete bodybuilders and perhaps more complete individuals as well.

Recently I became aware that my teenage daughter had an eating disorder. Out of respect for her I will skip the details. I will only say that it has been costly and difficult. Shortly after becoming aware of her condition I considered the gambit of possible causes. Television, pop culture, peer pressure, ME! In all likelihood I am the primary suspect behind her obsession with food. At the very least I didn't do her any favors. A competitive bodybuilder typically lives the sport. You don't leave it at the gym, you don't put it back in the bag like a golf club. We aren't judged by typically sport criteria, we are judged by our appearance.

Changing Your Life

While the general population is concerned with appearance, we are obsessed with it. Like many of you, I plan my meals. I time them. I don't eat for the pleasure of it, I eat according to my current goal. For my wife & I this became a very divisive issue. Daily she would ask me what I wanted for supper that evening and daily I was unable to answer her. It didn't matter what she prepared, I wouldn't be able to eat it. I didn't expect her to assume my lifestyle and as such I took full responsibility for my meals. I had to be lean, I had to be muscular, I had to be strong. Weight training provided the strength and size while attention to diet gave me definition.

This is what I had exposed my daughter to. During her formative teenage years she was treated nightly to a Father who could only speak of how his workout went that day. She would see me with my shirt off, checking out my abs in the mirror. I have won several competitions and am considered a role model. What I hadn't considered was the type of role model I had been to my family.

Some time has passed and I believe (hope) that my daughter's condition is under control but now I have to wonder about my own. Why am I like this? How did I get this way? Is my experience typical of the competitive bodybuilding community?

Muscle Dysmorphia & Bodybuilding

Modern psychology has coined a term to describe what can only be viewed as anorexia in reverse. Muscle dysmorphia (bigorexia). People with this condition feel physically inadequate. Regardless of their physical stature they feel small. Some will resort to wearing baggy cloths to cover their perceived inadequacy, many will resort to steroids, and some will become reclusive. As I sit here writing this, emotionally I refuse to accept that I have this condition and yet intellectually I recognize that I have many of its symptoms. Unlike the above I do not wear baggy cloths. I wear tight shirts. I like to be noticed. In restaurants, stores, anywhere.



People notice, I see their eyes follow me. Often people stop to ask questions and I like to answer them. On the other hand I still feel small. When I diet to increase definition prior to a competition I feel like I am letting people down. I'm not big enough. I recognize that statistically I am physically above normal and yet emotionally this just doesn't seem to register. When considering weight and height my body mass index says that I am obese, very obese, and yet I can crunch down on a well defined six pack. I am far from alone here. I don't know that I have ever spoken with a competitive bodybuilder who has expressed satisfaction with his or her physique. We constantly strive for a goal only to have it move just before we reach it. It is easier to give advice than to take it and I have found myself counseling other lifters on multiple occasions.

I see that they have made progress and comment on it. I have seen so many people come and go over the years that I try to encourage people and congratulate them on there physical progress. More often than not however they respond that they are not yet where they want to be. They want more. They want to be bigger. It is then that I tell them to take a moment to accept that they are even now where they wanted to be at one time and this is what I am asking you to do right now. Stop allowing the goal to move before it can be reached. Make your goals small and obtainable. Set them in stone. Allowing the goal to move only perpetuates our feelings of inadequacy. It isn't fair to ourselves or fun for the people who have to endure or obsessions. In competitive track & field a high jumper sets his goals an inch at a time.

In higher levels of competition the goal may vary by only fractions of an inch. It would not be fair to move the bar before the athlete completes his jump and yet this is exactly what many of us are doing to ourselves. We set an initial strength or physique goal only to decide that it is not enough as we approach it. But who moves the bar? We do! Stop it, allow yourself to reach a definable goal and when you do, acknowledge it. Bask in it. Celebrate it. Accept that you have accomplished something and achieved something that was important to you. In doing so you will be forced to recognize your progress and not to focus on perceived inadequacies. In reality what you consider to be a small or weak area is merely a symptom of a much deeper issue that we are attempting to mask with a physical band aid.

Go Back To Your Youth

Consider your youth. As a child I was very small and skinny. I was younger than most in my class and as such was a late bloomer. Intellectually I could rival most but physically I was out of step and nowhere was this more apparent than gym class. The mandatory showers revealed that others were reaching puberty far ahead of myself and I could only wonder what was wrong with me. Why didn't I have body hair? Why wasn't I growing? As a result I was afraid of girls. I was considered to be cute and had several girlfriends but still considered myself to be somehow less "manly" then the other boys. Youth is not without its tormentors and I was exposed to several. The "skinny, small, weak, pus" comments still haunt me to this day. At the time my only compensation was to take up a keen interest in martial arts however my parents would not allow me to take lessons.

Still, I studied on my own trying to mask my perceived shortcomings with an external illusion of being "tough". When I finally did reach physical maturity I was elated to be of average height even though I was still very skinny. The damage was done however and I was firmly entrenched in a mindset that would affect not only my lifestyle but the major decisions of my life as well. Many people suffer from Muscle dysmorphia and not all become bodybuilders. Some buy powerful motorcycles or fast cars. Some will become very powerful in business while others will become controlling and or abusive spouses. Review your own life beginning with early childhood. Were you made to feel small and inadequate and if so, how did it affect you? Do you feel as if you were scared by these feelings? Are you obsessed with wanting to get back at those who hurt you? Do you feel as if you have something to prove? While I believe very strongly in bodybuilding and the bodybuilding lifestyle I recognize that many of us are using bodybuilding to mask the symptoms of a disorder for which we are not responsible but unwilling participants nonetheless.

Only when we accept and recognize the deeper issues that brought us to this point will we begin to initiate the healing process. Like an aspirin, bodybuilding only mask the symptom, it does nothing about the cause. This is why it is so vitally important for you to recognize and rejoice in your successes, to accept yourself as you are. It is also important for you to recognize that there is a life outside of bodybuilding and to expand yourself as an individual. For some bodybuilders the experience of an injury that prohibits continued training is equivalent to the complete loss of identity.

We so identify and relate to the temporary illusion of strength that we have created that it encapsulates the sum totality of our being. The twin towers of the World Trade Center took years to build but were laid to the ground in a matter of minutes. How much more fragile are we who are made only of flesh and bone. Broaden your horizon and try to experience the world beyond the gym and the physical culture. By spreading your roots you will be able to draw strength from more than one source.

Being Extreme

I know of some bodybuilders who don't date or have any social life outside of the gym. They eat, sleep and breathe bodybuilding. Some are willing to die in the pursuit of their goal to be bigger. Does this sound extreme to you? I hope so, but are you currently involved in behavior that would have at one time seemed extreme as well?


Do you workout excessively?
Do you continue to train even while injured?
Do you forsake dinner engagements with friends or family because it will interfere with your routine?
Do you spend excessive amounts of money on supplements?
Do you use steroids?
Are you happy?
I have been honest with you in writing this paper and now I am asking you to be honest with yourself. Life should be enjoyed, not endured. If you feel that this article has hit home than I strongly encourage you to seek out a support group or to consider professional counseling. In doing so you may find that you can still be a bodybuilder and that you may actually come to enjoy it as well.

Thanks,


kerry@liftforlife.com

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PostSubject: Re: frequent bodybuilding   Thu Jan 07, 2010 1:55 pm

good article... but why did his wife ask him every day what he wanted for dinner? I mean, was her memory wiped afresh each new day? Razz

"oh so you've become a competitive bodybuilder overnight, curious..."


I have a mate in Portugal whose first marriage failed , according to him entirely because of him Bodybuilding professionally, he is in jail now for killing someone in a fight, he was into MMA as well - got bullied when he was younger coz he was black in a white area

I think that bb article could be rewritten for martial artists
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PostSubject: Re: frequent bodybuilding   Thu Jan 07, 2010 2:08 pm

Richard Grannon wrote:
good article... but why did his wife ask him every day what he wanted for dinner? I mean, was her memory wiped afresh each new day? Razz

"oh so you've become a competitive bodybuilder overnight, curious..."

lol!

i bet there's a subconscious power struggle
king "accept that i'm a successful big boy"
queen "tell me when you finished playing, i made pancakes, is that okay--what you don't
eat icecream? oh you'll grow out of this, it's just a phase."
king "i've been bodybuilding for 20 fukking years"
queen "yes dear"



agreed on the second--usefull article for MA's.
I have a mate in Portugal whose first marriage failed , according to him entirely because of him Bodybuilding professionally, he is in jail now for killing someone in a fight, he was into MMA as well - got bullied when he was younger coz he was black in a white area

do you keep tabs on him, sh*tty sequence of events. sometimes bodybuilders--in their inward focus, provoke passive
agressive competitiveness in their partners--or just resentment. as in, "watch ME shine too" or "do you love ME or your
weights". my first wife--and i was no bodybuilder/powerlifter champion, but i was obsessed and had okay gains, would
[on some subconscious level i'm sure] start chatting up blokes the moment i started to excell at anything--from martial
arts to weightlifting to music. it was quite noticible--and about when i was able to see clearly was when i left. i could see
that either i was going to be a good doggie, or good at something Rolling Eyes Laughing

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PostSubject: Re: frequent bodybuilding   Thu Jan 07, 2010 3:21 pm

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PostSubject: Re: frequent bodybuilding   Thu Jan 07, 2010 5:18 pm

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good article... but why did his wife ask him every day what he wanted for dinner? I mean, was her memory wiped afresh each new day? Razz

"oh so you've become a competitive bodybuilder overnight, curious..."

lol!

i bet there's a subconscious power struggle
king "accept that i'm a successful big boy"
queen "tell me when you finished playing, i made pancakes, is that okay--what you don't
eat icecream? oh you'll grow out of this, it's just a phase."
king "i've been bodybuilding for 20 fukking years"
queen "yes dear"



agreed on the second--usefull article for MA's.
I have a mate in Portugal whose first marriage failed , according to him entirely because of him Bodybuilding professionally, he is in jail now for killing someone in a fight, he was into MMA as well - got bullied when he was younger coz he was black in a white area

do you keep tabs on him, sh*tty sequence of events. sometimes bodybuilders--in their inward focus, provoke passive
agressive competitiveness in their partners--or just resentment. as in, "watch ME shine too" or "do you love ME or your
weights". my first wife--and i was no bodybuilder/powerlifter champion, but i was obsessed and had okay gains, would
[on some subconscious level i'm sure] start chatting up blokes the moment i started to excell at anything--from martial
arts to weightlifting to music. it was quite noticible--and about when i was able to see clearly was when i left. i could see
that either i was going to be a good doggie, or good at something Rolling Eyes Laughing

I cant his girlfriend got his phone and wont let me, she wants him to start afresh so I cant even visit

this is the third time this has happend to me, mates get banged up and suddenly everyones oh so precious and protective... without asking the poor fucker who is inside going mental and thinking nobody cares

humans... arent they just fucking grand??

that story of the bodybuilders wife asking him everday does just sound like needless petty needling... every day? every bloody day?

and yes... mmm... the power struggle in a relationship... richie strokes his chin in the style of toshiro mifune in yojimbo and resolved to say nothing

yes, at this point

silence would be the wisest thing Razz
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PostSubject: Re: frequent bodybuilding   Thu Jan 07, 2010 5:21 pm

except to say that " yes I am familiar with such things, it hapened to a, um, friend, once "


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PostSubject: Re: frequent bodybuilding   Thu Jan 07, 2010 7:43 pm

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I cant his girlfriend got his phone and wont let me, she wants him to start afresh so I cant even visit

this is the third time this has happend to me, mates get banged up and suddenly everyones oh so precious and protective... without asking the poor fucker who is inside going mental and thinking nobody cares

humans... arent they just fucking grand??

that story of the bodybuilders wife asking him everday does just sound like needless petty needling... every day? every bloody day?

and yes... mmm... the power struggle in a relationship... richie strokes his chin in the style of toshiro mifune in yojimbo and resolved to say nothing

yes, at this point

silence would be the wisest thing Razz

i'm frustrated just hearing about it, even as it rings 'oh-so-human-naturish'.grrrrrrrrrr.
Rolling Eyes

"yes I am familiar with such things, it hapened to a, um, friend, once "

your, um, pal is in good company Embarassed

...hmmm, maybe this is why my intensive meter is usually breaking open during workouts.
hmmmm....can't say just now, i'll have to think...done, yup!

not so bad now that all my male friends are gone--except my web pals, and that my hobby
actually produces income on occasion. the weight lifter days--and male bonding days, are long
gone though Shocked Laughing

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PostSubject: Re: frequent bodybuilding   Thu Jan 07, 2010 7:55 pm

sometimes the training and the webernet provides all the opportunity we have to vent... a small release valve to prevent the going of the postal

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PostSubject: Re: frequent bodybuilding   Thu Jan 07, 2010 8:01 pm

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sometimes the training and the webernet provides all the opportunity we have to vent... a small release valve to prevent the going of the postal


so desu ka...

Richard-san is most wise sensei

arrigato gazaimasu

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PostSubject: Re: frequent bodybuilding   Thu Jan 07, 2010 10:03 pm

isnt he just the illest?

speaking of high rep, volume workouts of a grease the groove fashion... what about the samurai 500 cuts a day workout?

in my aikido days i tried it with a bokken, at age 17 my forearms and back just flatly said no after 120

I'd like to try it now, the bokken would feel a lot lighter, but I doubt I could complete it- this is where bigger muscle can really screw u up!
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PostSubject: Re: frequent bodybuilding   Fri Jan 08, 2010 12:09 am

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what about the samurai 500 cuts a day workout?

in my aikido days i tried it with a bokken, at age 17 my forearms and back just flatly said no after 120

I'd like to try it now, the bokken would feel a lot lighter, but I doubt I could complete it- this is where bigger muscle can really screw u up!

affraid can't even imagine how my delts would feel, much less my grip/fore-arms Embarassed
perhaps with a little incentive like a pre-crackhead amy winehouse feeding me chocolates between
sword swings.

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swoosh--here's another you beast
swoosh--one more and you musn't forget to chew

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PostSubject: Re: frequent bodybuilding   Fri Jan 08, 2010 12:41 am

So ... I was all set to post about veggie/vegan diet ... and then the thread went sideways and I thought I'd missed my moment. Then it all kinda came back around again, so .....

The school where I teach, and train Japanese sword, does an all day intensive to start the new year, usually in Feb. The sword part is over 1200 cuts now, of different varieties. The workout lasts about 3 hours. It's really good, and apart from getting nauseous doing too many reps of Ichi Monji and Shiho, getting very tired does great things for your form, and using your whole body instead of your (now exhausted) arm muscles Very Happy

Back to the protein thing. Wrote a while back about my natural body builder friend who was veggie. As far as I know, he got all his protein from eggs and baked beans, no shakes. Not sure if he even drank milk .....
As to the Vegan thing, never met a really healthy one, at least not someone that is very physically active. When I lived i Snowdonia National Park, I knew a lumberjack whose wife tried to get him on a healthier diet by cutting down his animal fats. Poor bloke couldn't stay warm enough during the days he spent outside on the hill. Went back to butter etc soon after. I had the same experience - tried to go vegan one winter. I was working outside also, and despite eating a many avocados and nuts as I could throw down my thoat, I too was freezing cold and exhausted.
Who knows how much is genetics? But have to say, apart from the Mexican food I love, oh and the Asian food .... I do great on a good, old fashioned Viking diet - Grains, root veg, meat and herrings, berries, pickles and copious dairy products Very Happy

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PostSubject: Re: frequent bodybuilding   Fri Jan 08, 2010 1:18 am

maija wrote:

The school where I teach, and train Japanese sword, does an all day intensive to start the new year, usually in Feb. The sword part is over 1200 cuts now, of different varieties. The workout lasts about 3 hours. It's really good, and apart from getting nauseous doing too many reps of Ichi Monji and Shiho, getting very tired does great things for your form, and using your whole body instead of your (now exhausted) arm muscles Very Happy

But have to say, apart from the Mexican food I love, oh and the Asian food .... I do great on a good, old fashioned Viking diet - Grains, root veg, meat and herrings, berries, pickles and copious dairy products Very Happy

cool...


and


cool...

i like the idea of eating from one's background, i'd think one is predisposed at least in part--not locked but happy.
i know the ONLY folks really and truly not lactose intollerant are those that have had generations of herding behind
them--go figure. i always remember, ironically--in spite of my varied background of genetics, that when i ate and
lived in the UK, amidst all my travels...my strength and gains were tremendous. i really was the best suited to
the full english breakies and fish and potatoes--the rest were just icing and side shows. the occasional yummy
chicken vindaloo...the odd steak and kidney...the once a week shepherds pie...the bangers and mash. i just working
stock village trash that needs his pork and potatoes to feel like i can lift a car and then chase it after. the worst diet
bar none--to date, although my health would say otherwise...is my now vegetarian one. i have to eat like a cow to
feel good. before i'd just have a glass of milk and chips, later some cod or something, end off. i wasn't nearly as
peckish between meals. it was like the battle of qaulity over quantity. the ashram thing made me stay with veggies,
but it's a labor of love i can tell you. middle of night cravings for pork and shrimp vietnamese rolls still plague me.

1200 slashes, eh? that actually sounds really good. i'd like it if it was a culture i was saturated in. i don't like to dabble
in extremes, my fantasy is living it and staying there like a weirdo master of old. it's why i hit the pads the way i do.
i see a road that'll last years. i love it. it's like adding more and more meaning to my once decrepate soul. i'm packing
away experiences and defining myself by the roads of others but in my own version of steps. my own meditation is
even tweaked, but i never teach what i learned on the ashram--as i'd feel it was the blind leading the blind. if i ever
wake up morihai ushiba or something, then i'll accept that i could teach meditation. until then i just lightly push folks into
basic buddhist breathing stuff--even as my background is the hindu kriya yoga experience.

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