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PostSubject: 3 vs 1 probable racial motivation.   Sat Oct 10, 2009 6:40 pm




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PostSubject: Re: 3 vs 1 probable racial motivation.   Sat Oct 10, 2009 7:17 pm

On the whole racially motivated thing, who knows? I note a linked vid gives an interview with the victim who says it was such. But there were other stories circulating at the time that it was instigated by the vic throwing some rubbish into the back of the pickup. Have not heard anything of the story since then, so draw what conclusions you will from that.
On the actual altercation, guy did well maintaining distance. The only real danger came when he went to ground, which was when the three swarmed. Something you see over and over on these types of vids, but which never seem to mean a thing to the BJJ is good for the street crowd.
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PostSubject: Re: 3 vs 1 probable racial motivation.   Sat Oct 10, 2009 7:20 pm

Who can say what happened before this video was taken? But either way, it didn't look like a particularly 'cultural' part of town. And I definitely heard the N word more than a few times.

A lot of people may ask why he didn't walk away from it. But who's to say that they wouldn't have just chased and beat him while he had his back turned. My bet is they wouldn't have let him walk away.

It's a shame that he didn't take that opportunity to take out the guy with the gray vest when he had the chance at 0:31. That would have been one down two-to-go. With his larger athletic build he could have dropped him easily.

I gotta say though, he's lucky those three weren't intent on killing him. Because they had the opportunity at 1:16.

Dumb pricks...


If #25 was there, he would have evened up the score nicely!
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PostSubject: Re: 3 vs 1 probable racial motivation.   Sat Oct 10, 2009 7:24 pm

More thoughts....

The downward spiral, no-going-back situation that is cause by putting up a fighting guard. If matey had of used a.... what does Richie call it? A Socially Camouflaged Delivery System? (Please correct me if I'm wrong)
Basically a non-threatening fence. He could have lured one, maybe even two of them into a pre-emptive fight-stopper (if he had the training).
Once you put a fighting guard up in any situation, that's it.... YOU'RE FIGHTING! No de-escalation. No conflict management or psychological warfare. It's on.
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PostSubject: Re: 3 vs 1 probable racial motivation.   Sat Oct 10, 2009 11:25 pm

Guy did a good job of maintianing distance and picking his shots. A little more talent or aggression and he could have possibly beat their asses.

Good educational video for the average joe though
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PostSubject: Re: 3 vs 1 probable racial motivation.   Sun Oct 11, 2009 12:51 am

nothing to add, you guys all know what you're talking about. other than, it really raised the hairs on the back
of my neck. their body language takes away all the need for a background history. that was taunting plain and
simple. they were hyenas, or jackals. nice vid. very informative in that 3 inferior specimans worked well together,
and had alot of confidence in spite of the differential of talent on an individual measure.

sort of enjoyed picking apart both sides--in terms of skill.

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PostSubject: Re: 3 vs 1 probable racial motivation.   Sun Oct 11, 2009 1:40 pm

Hi. thought this was a great video for you all to assess in your unique, beautiful ways! lol! lol! lol!

Nice clear footage, we get to see just about every move & counter. & lots of fun to say where who should have done what when.

Personally I think he should have legged it, when they got out of the truck, secondly, he had some opportunities to take them out or hurt them individually which he neglected to take advantage of. (like I am an expert?!?)

His control of the three in their grouping was very good or very lucky. The one on point was always getting in the way of the others. But I thought he controlled his vectors well, not getting caught between obstacles etc.

Unlucky with the fall at the end, of course. Surprised I think when the guy he struck fell over.

Lastly should have stamped f****** hard on Mr Flip Flops feet!!!
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PostSubject: Re: 3 vs 1 probable racial motivation.   Sun Oct 11, 2009 5:32 pm

Saw this a while ago.
Black guy did great - distance, movement, guard. I think he didn't run 'cos it seemed like that was his block/neighbourhood.
The white guys left because it probably was not. That is possibly why they postured so much also, instead of escalating and bailed pretty quick when the cars drew up. They certainly did not have a plan or work together very well - thank goodness.

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PostSubject: Re: 3 vs 1 probable racial motivation.   Sun Oct 11, 2009 7:48 pm

maija wrote:
Saw this a while ago.
Black guy did great - distance, movement, guard.

In this type of scenario, is this keeping distance and long-range jabbing thing the best option though? How long can one keep that up against 3?

I've never been here (although I almost was Rolling Eyes) in this situation but I would have thought that Musashi's philosophy of dealing with multiples would be best: "Attack, attack and keep attacking until the threat subsides"

I'm thinking hit and run. Weather you hit one or two depends on the scenario, but dancing around can't be kept up forever. At some point, some form of solid action has to be taken.

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PostSubject: Re: 3 vs 1 probable racial motivation.   Sun Oct 11, 2009 9:40 pm

I definitely agree that whatever you do must be decisive. Keeping from being swarmed and overwhelmed is extremely important though, because that is how you die in a big boot party. Pure attack might get you one guy, but what good is that if the rest take you down and stomp you?

I think it comes down to seeing, creating and taking opportunities in between a lot of maneuver and footwork.

When you get one, you get him good. Get him down, kick him a couple times as hard as you can - if you can - and keep moving.

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PostSubject: Re: 3 vs 1 probable racial motivation.   Sun Oct 11, 2009 10:14 pm

This is where you trained fighters com into the equation.


If that was me (untrained), in my car park, I wouldn't have been thinking straight but definately would have used the cars to negate their group advantage (i've done it before successfully, or certainly to acheive my goal at the time). I would have ran to some stairs.

They certainly were a bunch of cowards, and also seemed very reluctant to get stuck in. I think if you could have fucked up one of them with a short sharp shock (Ideally i was thinking a face stamp from a set of stairs), I think they would have ran off like they did.

You have to remember how big the 'victim' was.
Not all of them were 'fighters' imo, maybe only one had the courage to land the first punch. Once he's out of the way (hahaha, in my ideal world..) if you've managed to keep seperation from the other two I think they'd have a change of heart and turn into the worlds most cowering diplomats. If they're timid at 3 on 1 and the 'big man' goes down, how timid will they be afterwards? (again presuming that you've taken him out independently. If you'd let them get 'the pump' you'd be fucked lol)

Only my untrained ramblings.
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