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PostSubject: A Street Fight System Newsletter   Mon Sep 28, 2009 10:24 pm

just posting todays newsletter here dudes and dudettes, will sort this stupid log in issue in the morning, too tired right now to sift through emails looking at passwords

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After some deliberation and wrangling we are going ahead with plans to formalise a training system, this will be something that people can qualify in as practitioners (no plans to qualify people as instructors at this point).

This will be a "horizontal training format" with people completing and qualifying in certain modules representing certain specific combative skillsets rather than a hiearchical system of grades.

Really looking forward to puttin the first basic module together within the next few weeks.

In other news, the new "Knife Offence Applications DVD" is available now - the first 20 sold will be at half price- from here


for this DVD I took the original "Knife Offence" DVD and refined an approach consisting of 6 key principles of dealing with a Knife attack when you cant run. Is it rooted in psychology and the accessing of a combative state?

Of course.

Is it principles or techniques based?

It's principles based, but there are techniques outlined ( and a "basic drill" outlined providing a framework for you to train them in) also an objective of movement is specified with full explanations as to why this is the safest and most aggressive route to winning back your opportunity to RUN whilst potentially disarming and knocking your attacker out.

They say no plan survives contact with the enemy... but then the same guys will tell you that failing to plan is planning to fail.

I think the common sense solution is to have a plan but be open to improvisation- which is what this DVD tutorial "Knife Offence Applications" teaches on the controversial and difficult subject of dealing with Knives.

Downloadable products are now available to from here

affordable and, more importantly, immediate gratification (!) - thats what we like.

Thats it for now


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PostSubject: Re: A Street Fight System Newsletter   Mon Sep 28, 2009 10:48 pm

it's a good thing. cheers
horizontal movement and all--the serious will come and not get overly,
and self-indulgently, confident. in that tight rope walk toward staying in
top form, one thing that brings back humilty is the absense of a hierarchical
title. it also prevents those, who've somehow managed to climb the ranks
and then stop doing their homework suddenly, from getting the snot kicked
out of them and claiming it was the 'system'.

by keeping it horizontal, in affect, you're saying...here are the tools, now
go and make them work--by your work.

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PostSubject: Re: A Street Fight System Newsletter   Mon Sep 28, 2009 11:42 pm

mate im WELL Looking forward to that. LOL can have our own SFS fighting system that we can controbute to and evolve. i think its an awesome idea.

top marks rich and co!!!
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PostSubject: Re: A Street Fight System Newsletter   Tue Sep 29, 2009 2:37 am

Thats sounds really good Richie!
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PostSubject: Re: A Street Fight System Newsletter   Tue Sep 29, 2009 11:42 am

Awesome stuff!!!

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PostSubject: Re: A Street Fight System Newsletter   Tue Sep 29, 2009 4:07 pm

What are you going 2 call it?

May I suggest F'QuDoh! or Wirral Judo as in Judo'nt know who your messing wit', Mate!
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PostSubject: Re: A Street Fight System Newsletter   Tue Sep 29, 2009 5:27 pm

hmmmm ideas for names.....

how abot these

- fisty cuffs (if someone said to you "what you know?" and you replied "fisty cuffs!" they would laugh but then they'd be hurt!!!!)

-T.T.P (stands for ta daaaaa, "TO THE POINT". aint it what we all believe in from the virbal to the physical?)

-T.U.S (total warrior system)

see now its getting silly, so ill stopio.

what you all think?

rich any ideas from your good self?
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PostSubject: Re: A Street Fight System Newsletter   Tue Sep 29, 2009 6:10 pm

I wanted something simple, western (not chinese/japanese sounding), implies violence/brutality and idealy tipped a cap to the Wirral's Warrior Culture and genetic heritage : the Vikings

so my consultant wanted "Brutal Fight System" I wanted "Berserker Fight System"

Reggie Wong said "BFS? Bull Fucking SHit!" so thats them scrapped

I originally liked the name Maesltrom, a word meaning whirpool, literally old dutch for "crushing stream"-
1. a large powerful whirlpool or vortex
2. any confused, violent, and destructive turmoil

it is implicitly violent in an instinctive chaotic way, a tiny tip o' the helmet the vikings way being a word used by dutch map makers to describe a huge whirpool off the northwest coast of norway (and a ride about vikings at epscot!), but its not simple... in fact it could be a bit pretentious. Originally wanted to do this named after a novel I got half way through writing about some brainwashed cult members and the system of mental and physical conditioinig they went thru (yes its a martial arts novel, yes they usually suck ass, but mine is awesome ok? Very Happy )

anyway

all ideas welcome!
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PostSubject: Re: A Street Fight System Newsletter   Tue Sep 29, 2009 9:11 pm

Now that you mention it , maelstrom or something like it would be good.it does describe what you are trying to convey,hitting the aggressor with a shit storm of violence.
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PostSubject: Re: A Street Fight System Newsletter   Tue Sep 29, 2009 9:12 pm

Richie, by the way, when will the members site be back up?
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PostSubject: Re: A Street Fight System Newsletter   Tue Sep 29, 2009 9:32 pm

Danite wrote:
Richie, by the way, when will the members site be back up?

thanks for feedback, dont know is the honest naswer mate, lot of very ambitious chat at the moment about how it will be reconfigured exactly, some it going over my head, possibly looking at live "teleseminars"? something I know nothing about


will let you know as soon as it starts to become more concrete
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PostSubject: Re: A Street Fight System Newsletter   Wed Sep 30, 2009 12:19 am

Muchas Gracias!
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PostSubject: Re: A Street Fight System Newsletter   Wed Sep 30, 2009 9:32 am

I originally liked the name Maesltrom, a word meaning whirpool, literally old dutch for "crushing stream"-
1. a large powerful whirlpool or vortex
2. any confused, violent, and destructive turmoil

it is implicitly violent in an instinctive chaotic way, a tiny tip o' the helmet the vikings way being a word used by dutch map makers to describe a huge whirpool off the northwest coast of norway



Sounds like you're thinking of Moskestraumen off of Lofoten. Which is the biggest. But hey, I've got the worlds strongest tidal current right outside of town. Saltstraumen. Water's been measured at 20 knots. All sea-water, being run through a bottleneck between fjords with the time and tide. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ACItoipNdlA&feature=related There is supposed to be some viking history attached to that place. Apparently they found some tactical uses for it against the christian invaders, superior local knowledge and all...

Putting names to stuff can be a challenge. The more honest you are, the harder it gets. It would be easy to just make some cool shit up. Like all these acronyms that spell words, and so on. Laughing

Direct
Overwhelming
Opposition
Methods

Contemporary
Aggression
Tactics

Bloody
Devastating
Smashing
Methods

Protective
Integrated
Neutralization
Tactics

Ok, enough joking. Getting something to be both accurate and cool-sounding is the real feat. Then again maelstrom sounds sort of like the "guided chaos" stuff. Raw power channeled into a structure. Like an evil laser of doom (instead of a limp old lightbulb of doom... or candle even). Best description I could come up with for what I did as a "style" was a joking "goal oriented savagery." As time went by I realized it was pretty damn acurate all in all. Maelstrom sounds more like something descriptive of the stuff than a name in itself, but as far as I'm concerned you're at least on to something with the malelstrom stuff. The harnessing of raw and wild stuff one way or another.

Something that accurately expresses the structuring/focusing/harnessing of raw/wild/powerful/chaotic stuff that also sounds cool without being cheesy then, and connects it to fighting. Also in the back of my mind is the phrase "we call it fighting, call it what you want." Now, where is that point where these things all connect?

Some general brainstorming ideas... if you want to use berserker then maybe something along the lines of "Structured/systematic/methodical berserker" or... "Structured/systematic/methodical brutality" But maybe the angle of "forused" some thing or other could be used.

Ah, out came a slogan of sorts...

"Harnessing the beast of aggression into a focused maelstrom of violence."

Anyway... Maybe there is a way to salvage the "brutal fight system" from the clutches of acronym-abuse? Inserting a wedge between the bull and the shit somehow.

Maybe brutal realistic fighting methods (or just brutal real[istic] fighting)- brutal reality solutions.

Then again, when you hear a name like "the democratic nation of distantstan" you can safely assume there is something more to that story, like a dictator and a wee bit of communism or something. So maybe just something that expresses it's nature will be better. And what is the product? It is training, not a violence-safari, "and off yonder is yer brutal lion rending." So that might be another core part of the formula "where they all connect."

The focusing and harnessing of raw natural forces
The simplicity and accuracy of "it's just fighting"
And the fact that it is about training.

Hmm...

Of course you could simply insert the word training into one of the previously mentioned ideas. "Brutal realistic fight training" or "systematic berserker training" Maybe "modern berserker training" Then again these things could form the underlying structure and ethos/mythology of the system while the name is something else. Options, decisions, dillemas eh?

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PostSubject: Re: A Street Fight System Newsletter   Wed Sep 30, 2009 10:31 am

maelstrom fight system?

I dunno, its tricky enough deciding what to leave out of the first module!

thanks for feedback, keep thinking Very Happy
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PostSubject: Re: A Street Fight System Newsletter   Wed Sep 30, 2009 2:13 pm

Personally I like the idea of seemingly opposite qualities in a title. Enjoyed 'Thug Zen' for example. The idea of 'The judicious application of thuggery' works for me.
Fight Smart. The Intelligent Berserker. You know the kind of thing .....

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PostSubject: Re: A Street Fight System Newsletter   Wed Sep 30, 2009 2:35 pm

All sound good! Can't wait to see these DVD's

One question,,,,,,,,,,,,I thought the Beta 8 project was originally going to be along the lines of practitioner certification. Was this one of my personal delusions?
(I'm know to have those from time to time)
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PostSubject: Re: A Street Fight System Newsletter   Wed Sep 30, 2009 6:26 pm

if you want a viking feel to it. you could call it "AON" which is nordic for ONE. i suppose thats good because we try to be , as much as poss a rounded fighter.

"Our knowledge about arms and armor of the Viking age is based on relatively sparse archaeological finds, pictorial representation, and to some extent on the accounts in the Norse sagas and Norse laws recorded in the 13th century.

According to custom, all free Norse men were required to own weapons, as well as permitted to carry them at all times. These arms were also indicative of a Viking's social status: a wealthy Viking would have a complete ensemble of a helmet, shield, chainmail shirt, and sword. A typical bóndi (freeman) was more likely to fight with a spear and shield, and most also carried a seax as a utility knife and side-arm. Bows were used in the opening stages of land battles, and at sea, but tended to be considered less "honorable" than a hand weapon. Vikings were relatively unusual for the time in their use of axes as a main battle weapon. The Húscarls, the elite guard of King Cnut (and later King Harold II) were armed with two-handed axes which could split shields or metal helmets with ease."


ALSO !!!

"The Húscarls, the elite guard of King Cnut (and later King Harold II)"

SO, i like the idea of something to do with the "Huscarls" seeing that they were the ELITE fighters of the viking era.

vikings liked mad things like bravery. were by they would THROW themselvs easily into a group of enemies and be massively outnumbered. but also they placed cunning in high order too. were they liked to fight dirty but also do what most of us would think a ninja would do. they called it "sky-clad" and they used to go into enemie camps/towns/villages at night with no tops on. so if they felt bare skin it was your own man. anyone with a top got slotted.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Viking_Age_arms_and_armor
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PostSubject: Re: A Street Fight System Newsletter   Wed Sep 30, 2009 11:36 pm

I wonder if i'm a bit viking. The scouse (that means 'from Liverpool' for those don't know) side of my family has it's origins from around Norway.

Interestingly, I believe the word CUNT comes from the vikings. But I don't think you'll be using that for your system's name. Unless you really want the shock and awe effect.

"So you do self defence? What system do you practice?"

"it's called, M.O.C...Maelstrom of Cunt"

"Oh. I see... Shocked Is it like karate?"

"Something like that..."
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PostSubject: Re: A Street Fight System Newsletter   Thu Oct 01, 2009 12:02 am

okay, i just started over. this stuff always sends me some special OCD place. i just may have to step
away.

how about plainly and simply

berserker [if i spelled it wrong, erm i'll edit it]

i want to say berserker strategies--but this will look like BS scratch

maybe it can spell BRIT

berserker realistic insertion tactics

get a little union jack behind it--you'd be surprized what it might do for sales and
has a nice and easy memorable ring to it

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PostSubject: Re: A Street Fight System Newsletter   Thu Oct 01, 2009 1:44 am

This is gonna be completely out of left field but one word I've always liked was

PRESIDIUM

It's Latin for 'guard'.... makes me think of self defense, the use of the fense, and turning it around which can become 'attack the attacker' ....

anyways, just thought I'd throw it out there

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PostSubject: Re: A Street Fight System Newsletter   Thu Oct 01, 2009 3:42 am

It is as if I can faintly hear the scraping of a square peg being pushed into a round hole, simply name wise, when applied to naming the system. It seems like the name should reflect content in a relatively specific manner more than anything. To say "viking fighting stuff" there needs to be a lot of focus on how to use an axe in combat. Laughing

To look at a guy who has successfully applied a large about of personal philosophy and primal imagery in his system, Sammy Franco seems to have done well. But the name of his stuff is CFA (contemporary fighting arts). But it's all wrapped up in artwork right out of Conan the barbarian and so on. Personal philosophy and thinking like that also permeates the material. The general idea seems workable if you want to set tone and give homage to stuff.

Ugh... I should be getting to work. But ok. Just to work with the idea of viking names.

Berserker sounds a bit off for a system name. Maybe because it is a status or identification for an individual. Just "berserk" migh work, or what say you?

Hell look at AMOK from Tom Sotis. Good name, good stuff. "Berserk" would sound kind of similar but in both material and generally speaking I don't think it would be too similar.

affraid bounce GOT to go...

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PostSubject: Re: A Street Fight System Newsletter   Thu Oct 01, 2009 12:00 pm

I too can hear the sounds of things being forced into holes, but i think its heads into bums

forget the name for now- think in terms of training, what should be left in... and more importantly out... following on from RichB;s post on the other thread "pros and cons of teaching a system"

this name thing makes everyone go OCD and bonkers, it can be named later for now, working title is just SFS, street fight system from... dun dun DUN! streetfightsecrets

name later... training now

cheers

thanks for all your input guys, appreciated

got close to Maelstrom, but its pretentious so I think it needs choppin as does any Viking related themes, if it was going to slip in easily and elegantly, it would have done so by now alien
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PostSubject: Re: A Street Fight System Newsletter   Thu Oct 01, 2009 2:40 pm

hmmmmmm left in and taken out?

this is only my opinion, and is pretty much based on my own style.

LEFT IN

-all has to be efficent and to the point. no flash flamboyant shit
-i think the striking should be very much, i think, what we all do. a kinda boxing/muay thai/ silat type strikes ( stood up)
-wrestling/BJJ/submission wrestling is a must (control on the ground for at least to get up because it'll make you A.) a better fighter. B.) makes you a better striker being good with grappling - a la chuck ledell
-clinch work - MASSIVELY improtant i think. this is a def for the MAJORITY of fights go into clinch range either quickly OR would surely end up being there.
-range work - work the ranges long, medium and close range. also mastering moving in and out of range to help defend and attack.
-weapons-i believe that a kali based system would be best. fast and viscious attacks that can EASILY be transferred to improvised weapons.
-situational work- defensive and attacking situations. i think 2-on-1, knife grappling, who-has-the-knife drills would help
-focussing on inflicting MASSIVE damage from any position you find your self in. i think this may fit into the whole "beserker" thing
-the whole "PRE FIGHT" thing

LEFT OUT

-anything thats not to the point. anytghing thats not direct is a waste of time and energy
-maybe over dependance on trapping. it hink its good but again unless its simple its TOO much.
-head kicks - doubt very much that they will be in but you never know. unless they're on hands and knees or on the floor i dont think should be touched on. leaves you too open.

cant think of anything at the min

what you all think lads?


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PostSubject: Re: A Street Fight System Newsletter   Thu Oct 01, 2009 3:05 pm

Richard... You know this is one hell of a can of worms...?
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PostSubject: Re: A Street Fight System Newsletter   Thu Oct 01, 2009 3:21 pm

creating a "system"? I think I can feel a headache coming on already mate Wink
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