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Richard'Mack'Machowicz is a former US Navy Seal and current presenter for TV show 'Future Weapons'

I came accross this clip of him teaching a group of,i'm guessing,civilians doing a NavySeal weekend experience.Basic lesson on Hand to Hand.
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PostSubject: Re: Richard'Mack'Machowicz doing a little teaching   Richard'Mack'Machowicz doing a little teaching EmptySun Sep 27, 2009 9:24 am

Interesting. Hard to condemn from a ten min clip, but...
Okay, you should go for targets that are high yield. And I agree, towards the end of the vid where he talks about not staying rooted to the spot so that an attacker has a better chance to pick his shot (illustrates this by thrusting his head forwards). But he then goes on to talk about bobbing and weaving? After earlier talking about high yield targets (eyes). If you have closed inside and the other guy is in boxing mode, why on earth would I then bob and weave? Why not attack the eyes? Then again, maybe I have read what he is trying to get across completely wrong. Thanks for posting the vid.
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i just maybe a seal geek/fan, i rather enjoyed it--target speech and all Laughing
and his speech, "he asked me to" or whatever, regarding attacking scratch
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PostSubject: Re: Richard'Mack'Machowicz doing a little teaching   Richard'Mack'Machowicz doing a little teaching EmptySun Sep 27, 2009 11:28 am

Hard to say much from just a glimpse like that.

He begun discussing targets, maybe that was something on movement. Moving the target instead of just being there or something maybe...

What is it he is teaching? SEAL stuff I assume?

I don't really know what they do. but I close combat stuff almost anywhere in the military is usually just some semi-arbitrary basics with the goal of becoming fucntional at it real quick and easy, not necessarily a good allround fighter. Guns and manpower all the way. Mostly close combat becomes about building fighting spirit by pushing their limits and so on.

The stuff about targets and all did remind me somwhat of the TFT stuff, that Larkin claims is SEAL stuff. Might be, but in the world on ninjas anything must be doubted. So, sort of like TFT maybe, but Mack's stuff from what little there was in the clip seemed more real.

TFT has all that magic stop CNS mind control stuff. Didn't see any of that in the clip, but the stuff about targets dictating movement, and there being no pre-set ways of movement sounded familliar. Might be a good way to make an untrained person conversant in fucking people up in short time. As a short cut from intent to target, skipping techniques altogether. In other words, just getting people to fucking do something, purposefully.

Might not be much to write home about for long term training in the pursuit of excellence in fucking people up though...
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PostSubject: Re: Richard'Mack'Machowicz doing a little teaching   Richard'Mack'Machowicz doing a little teaching EmptySun Sep 27, 2009 2:35 pm

to be honest, and maybe i need to rewatch it as i was sneaking a viewing late last night with
the sound down, i thought it was very informative in a two-part way:
-the mind of seal psychology--entertainment-wise
-things that tactically make sense--that most of us probably do to some extent


what i thought i got--but maybe was wrong about was this:

1.high/low-line psychology...meaning, whatever part of my useable arsenol that is
closest to my target i should use. left hand engaged, use the right [possibly good
hand is first choice, a wee bit jeet koon influence].
2.fook thinking about technique [movement], shorter time lag and more efficient to
simply 'not think' and somehow just 'get to the SOFT target' for the quickest returns.
not impeding oneself with any other thought than target makes the brain work faster
as it is a one sided thought process. THAT MUST BE INJURED. this also has a kind of
logic that wont be interrupted if your good hand is injured or busy [hence the head
butt piece], as the person is still focussed on bring about injury and little else. he is
still FOCUSSED on the objective and all his energy is still flowing in ONE direction without
thoughts of taking personal inventory.

as for the not staying rooted piece, and bobbing and weaving contradictory bit, who knows.
i think i faze out when boxing style dynamics entered. one interpretation is that he had
MMA guys, wrestlers, presumably boxers, etc...and didn't appear too concerned with what
style they brought to the collective table. probably speaks to the seals as they are more
concerned with targets [once you get there, the roads dissappear]. he said in the beginning,
"i didn't need to tell you what to do, right...i just gave you the instruction". perhaps being
more concerned with simply one's own natural instinct. from that view point if he had a boxer
in front of him he was trying to help, perhaps the bobbing in some way didn't represent
a target one could fix on--even as the bobbers hypothetical feet were indeed rooted.

why i liked it was it hinted at veering away from style, and toward soft targets by way of the
shortest avenue and greatest comfort.

i have 'one' ex seal friend. and i've given up picking his brain, but one thing he said rang
parallel to the bloke in the clip. the whole inferred bit about keeping your head clear and
going for the targets--meaning not being overly concerned how you get to those targets,
keeping sort of mentally open to whatever it takes to get to those targets. it sort of makes
sense if one factors in just how much thoughts interfere with one's strategy and flow. i used
to know a guy who [although different] talked about not forcing a block but rather allowing
the speed and relaxed pace of gravity take one's arm down for the block..the breaks one
puts on by controling the hypothetical block can be at least seen as an analogy. not forcing
a move, but rather sort of violently reacting and exploding toward a goal/target and letting
your body-intelligence do the math. i've found--at least, my elbows have become more pro-
ficient when i'm sort of in an empty attacking mental place. sort of:

hey look, a face...hey look, my elbow...elbow, meet face. previously i'd have been more concerned
with re-aligning the ideality of my favorite range [time wasted] before firing off my favorite
jab/cross/hook [potentially putting more time between me and my objective]. i've found similar
things when i do my drive-backs [person holding a pad is miserably chased down by a flurry
of hard and fast hits. all my strikes are more sloppy because the target is moving, but they are
getting more accurate--they are landing. sometimes because they are scooping and following the
bouncing ball [head] like some kind of coordination game. it's more fun to lock on, and make hits
than it is to try and line people up. i read something way back about a lioness, and how she appears
whilst heading in for a kill. head on target, making it work and letting the body sort of catch up. it shaves alot of time off. i knew several fighters like this who appeared to be sort of sloppy and
arking--from a distance, but a great deal more of their collective strikes were landing--presumably
because they were following the bouncing ball like a kitten chasing a ball of yarn.

anyway, possibly i'm just aligning the clip with my sensabilities, but that's what i took from it.
fed the mental state of fighting the way i'd ideally like to approach it.

who knows, my seal friend also talked about standing still--rooted scratch and allowing them to
do all the work, sort of running onto him as his strikes met their soft targets. so maybe all seals don't
think exactly the same way. i've done as much sort of unplanned, but not as a rule. when in my fence,
i suppose that's my starting point. i've, on two occasions, had people choke themselves on my stiff
fingers [to their neck]. i wasn't even moving, they were doing the moving. i can't imagine feeling comfortable doing that when things really start hopping. but on some level i can see it being useful. i sort of belted two others really officiently [almost by accident i'm afraid] by simply putting up my fist and having them sort of run into it. one was in sports--and my placed hand sent his head upwards, and his body arse over tea kettle. one working security, where he not only ran into my fist but sort of pulled it into his face by some fooked up attempt to grab at it from the wrong direction. made me look faster and more efficient than i really was. it went into his eye and shut him down--adding to the illusion
of prowess.


clear-mind and target-mind

not a bad way to think.
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PostSubject: Re: Richard'Mack'Machowicz doing a little teaching   Richard'Mack'Machowicz doing a little teaching EmptySun Sep 27, 2009 4:50 pm

Hmm... there just might be more usefulness to it than I first thougth of it.
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PostSubject: Re: Richard'Mack'Machowicz doing a little teaching   Richard'Mack'Machowicz doing a little teaching EmptySun Sep 27, 2009 4:58 pm

Thought this was rather good.

Quite simple & direct.

Attack a target untils its destroyed, Full force & with real aggression. Worrying about technique or weapon wastes time. Just pick a target & ravage, then the next target.

Anyone who presents a genuine threat is providing you with permission to hurt him

Laddie at the beginning was over-intellectualising the process. When he said at the beginning "Take out my eyes" everyone of us thought, rake or tiger strike or jab with fingers

One thing that always strikes me about watching other people training & training with them is the reluctance to touch, even gently touch the target. Machowitz does it. Encourages them to do it. But as soon as they start practising they dont. You can see it here with the guys rolling at the end of the clip.

I dont like getting hit anymore than anyone else but I cannot see the point of miming. It breeds false hope.
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PostSubject: Re: Richard'Mack'Machowicz doing a little teaching   Richard'Mack'Machowicz doing a little teaching EmptySun Sep 27, 2009 5:09 pm

Russ after reading your breakdown of the vid I have to say I was very wrong in my initial assessment.

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1.high/low-line psychology...meaning, whatever part of my useable arsenol that is
closest to my target i should use. left hand engaged, use the right [possibly good
hand is first choice, a wee bit jeet koon influence].
2.fook thinking about technique [movement], shorter time lag and more efficient to
simply 'not think' and somehow just 'get to the SOFT target' for the quickest returns.
not impeding oneself with any other thought than target makes the brain work faster
as it is a one sided thought process. THAT MUST BE INJURED. this also has a kind of
logic that wont be interrupted if your good hand is injured or busy [hence the head
butt piece], as the person is still focussed on bring about injury and little else. he is
still FOCUSSED on the objective and all his energy is still flowing in ONE direction without
thoughts of taking personal inventory.

One and two read like the Senshido principles of closest weapon/closest target. And striking on the 1/4 beat with the goal of overwhelming your opponent, and not giving them a chance to reset. Two principles which I personally ascribe to 100%.
I'll put my initial poor review down a late night viewing which occasioned me to skip a bit through the vid. Mae culpa.
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PostSubject: Re: Richard'Mack'Machowicz doing a little teaching   Richard'Mack'Machowicz doing a little teaching EmptySun Sep 27, 2009 5:16 pm

Blakops wrote:
Thought this was rather good.

Quite simple & direct.

Attack a target untils its destroyed, Full force & with real aggression. Worrying about technique or weapon wastes time. Just pick a target & ravage, then the next target.

Anyone who presents a genuine threat is providing you with permission to hurt him

Laddie at the beginning was over-intellectualising the process. When he said at the beginning "Take out my eyes" everyone of us thought, rake or tiger strike or jab with fingers

One thing that always strikes me about watching other people training & training with them is the reluctance to touch, even gently touch the target. Machowitz does it. Encourages them to do it. But as soon as they start practising they dont. You can see it here with the guys rolling at the end of the clip.

I dont like getting hit anymore than anyone else but I cannot see the point of miming. It breeds false hope.

Technique matters in terms of quality of output Vs. work getting it done and all. But it's not anything you should ever find yourself worrying about in a fight, either you have it at your disposal, or it is fucking gone along with the rest of your brain. No time lost in a fight. Though much time will be spent in training.

It's a training thing. Unless you need ability NOW, you've got time to train and work stuff in. Not freaky fancy shit but on the level of what an MMA pro can do as opposed to a street thug.

Same with the touching-reluctancy thing. It's because it is training. Training is all of a sudden two realities trying to be one. There has to be some pretend and doublethink going on. You're attacking a guy, except you are trying not to hurt him, because the enemy is a friend, and you end up doing healthy social behavior in the middle of what is supposed to be somewhat of a simulation. Even tough it isn't a scenario or anything, just training. Either you can choose to not give a fuck about the actual social relations, or you can be sloppy with training, which is what most people end up doing. But strick awareness to what the point with the action you are doing is can close that bad habit entry hole well enough, without having to choose between the two options. Instead just taking both at their right intervals.

If they had hundreds of prisoners to kill and main and could just go all out, there would probably be less of these inconsistencies. More like either or.
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PostSubject: Re: Richard'Mack'Machowicz doing a little teaching   Richard'Mack'Machowicz doing a little teaching EmptySun Sep 27, 2009 5:28 pm

Hey Russ, if you have a training partner might I suggest the following drill? Start in a clinch position,one person goes first on the basis of closest weapon to closest target,non telegrahic striking and economy of motion.The attacker does one attack the other reacts realistically.In other words like the guy in the clip showed the hands went into the eyes which tilted back his head.Then the other person strikes from the position he is in on the same basis and the other reacts realistically.The point here is to go as slow as is needed, like the guy said "he is thinking".Thats what you want to do at first, is to take the time to think about targets and tools, then you can speed it up.You will see that this drill will increase your flow of striking 100%.Then do a realistic scenario training drill and you will see how you begin to aquire targets without even thinking about it, it just flows from one to the other without any break. Hope you enjoy the drill.
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These young fellows are fortunate to have fallen on this type of training.Not only are the methods and concepts very good, but they way they are being induced deep into the brains of the students is very effective for later use.These guys will come away from a few days of this with real skills they can use,they will get the basics of real self defence, not only technique wise but aloso how to think about what they are doing and find their own answers to situations as they arise.In my opinion this is very good training for people who need to get up to speed quickly.There is of course always more to learn, but these are solid basics.I am glad to see they fell into such good hands.
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PostSubject: Re: Richard'Mack'Machowicz doing a little teaching   Richard'Mack'Machowicz doing a little teaching EmptySun Sep 27, 2009 5:35 pm

Russ let me add a little more info.For example, if you hand is on his shoulders in the clinch position, why wind it up for apunch and telegraph your intention, why not just grab his ear or get your thumb in his eye or even slap him across the side of the head or get your hand across is throat. Regards
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I' m not suggesting rending people limb from limb. I mean accessing what your aiming at. Pulling punches is fine though you make sure you hit the targets hard in other drilling opportunitys. (Meaning Pad work Or free sparring with someone you trust)

But actually touching the target. Eyes, throat nose groin. Pat maybe, lightly brush, but get a real sensation of contact. Miming a strike and pulling before contact wont give the feel of touching flesh. Wont create a real reaction. Striking slowly and controlled but ending with your hand on them gets people through the initial distaste of sensory contact. Plus people get hit in the real world, training to feel a contact and over time, being caught again slightly harder, (when you mess up) is the experience you build on to stop it happening again

I was reading on Chiron a post from a few years back where his wife was demonstrating to karate class, hip movement and the extreme reluctance on their part to touch each other so they could feel the movement. This reluctance is common. You see it repeatedly in non sports TMA.

Teaching people not to hit in a SP or MA environment, where we all train to respond to an aggressive attack & prevail seems a false dichotomy. I mean that the goals seem mutually exclusive.
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Teaching people not to hit in a SP or MA environment, where we all train to respond to an aggressive attack & prevail seems a false dichotomy. I mean that the goals seem mutually exclusive.

nice


I also am having to rethink the value of the clip following the posts here.
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I' m not suggesting rending people limb from limb. I mean accessing what your aiming at. Pulling punches is fine though you make sure you hit the targets hard in other drilling opportunitys. (Meaning Pad work Or free sparring with someone you trust)

Agree. To use what you mentioned about the Chiron blog post though, most kinds of touching "could be considered impolite" so people dislike doing it. The whole social-relations/training problem.

The challenge is to get people to realize and remember what the point of it all is. That training is a way to approximate fighting skill from a safe angle. That it is meant to simulate reality. A lot of people get real good at drills, but do not seem to remember what the drill is for. Normally experience and learning is direct. You do what you do. Training is an abstraction that requires focus and sincerity to keep in mind what the simulated reality is supposed to be. When people forget, they end up doing all the polite normal social behavior you do not want, such as the reluctance to touch and be touched.
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PostSubject: Re: Richard'Mack'Machowicz doing a little teaching   Richard'Mack'Machowicz doing a little teaching EmptySun Sep 27, 2009 6:58 pm

I think we are arguing around the same point (If we are argueing? I'm sure we are being too polite.)

The reluctance, the politeness, the fear of appearing foolish in front of others, the fear of the response is the initial thing that should be dealt with.

And how do you overcome it. By actively dealing with it. Every time you throw a blow, you make contact.

Level of force dependent on circumstances.

I do think this is key. OMHO.

Coming back to the vid...I still think its good.

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Rich, was rude. Forgot to ask your opinion.
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Blakops wrote:
Rich, was rude. Forgot to ask your opinion.

Not at all mate, not at all.

Happy to sit back and learn. Probably got more from listening to you guys as I did from the video and its good stuff.
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My favorite part... "Don’t tell him what to do dude… shut your fucking mouth."

Rest is root stuff
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UncloudedFall,
and i was worried about the same thing--looking at the vid in the wee hours. no worries, you're
in good company Laughing

Danite,
thanks for the drill, i'll try it out and let you know--i'm sure it'll be good cheers

naughty me, i'm supposed to be in bed Sleep

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Did a little bit of seaching on the net about 'Mack' and this story of he training a female client tends to explain the approach he takes in the vid.
"How did the Bukido® Training System come into existence?
Like many small businesses, Mack began his on a shoestring budget. Operating out of his garage, he began teaching self-protection skills to beginners. Working primarily with women, he realized that if he could teach women to handle an attack from a man who is bigger and stronger, those same skills would work for anyone. Mack experienced an amazing breakthrough when working with Donna, one of his first female clients. While teaching her some of the basic knee strikes and jabs, he recognized that she wasn't "showing up" with the kind of aggressive nature needed in a real life altercation. They were both becoming frustrated. In all of Mack's experience in SEAL Team, he was always taught to train as much like reality as possible.

So, without warning, he whirled and grabbed Donna by the throat. She began flailing but Mack growled, "Do something, anything, to take out my eyes!" Then, without hesitation or indecision, she buried her fingers into his eyes with laser-like precision. Immediately, Mack's hands dropped from her throat. The lesson was obvious: Get everything out of the way of the target. Then, you will clearly see what weapons to use and what movement is required to actually hit the target."

Also from the same site ie.Discription page
"Mack has over 25 years of experience in the martial arts studying such systems as muay thai boxing, Jeet Kune Do, kickboxing, aikido, jujitsu, savate, arnis and karate. He was a certified instructor in Naval Special Warfare Combat Fighting Instructor Course, a Naval Special Warfare Scout/Sniper and has received multiple black belts. Machowicz also served as a personal protection specialist for many high profile individuals within the political arena, business world and entertainment industry"

In reguards to the vid,Yes he is going over very basic SD ideas(But he has to due to the group he's teaching).But,I look at it as being a reminder of certain basic ideas that are sometimes forgotten.
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awesome clip & follow up Cool
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