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PostSubject: Interesting question...   Thu Apr 17, 2008 4:51 pm

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Hi rich, i was at your seminar in January and i also have your Cd's psychology of violence and supra state. Ive just started doing the visualization again after a short break. What i have been doing recently in my visualization is dropping a dump of adrenalin into my body whilst doing the visualization and controlling it, then i say the magic words in my head and deliver the bad news!

My question is am i right to have the Adrenalin rush or should i be that confident in my visualization that i don't get it?

obviously i will be getting it in real life or is the point of the visualization to try and ignore the feeling?


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There are no right or wrong answers with this guys, its all about what works for you. Because the psychology of violence was put together with no dogmatic intent whatsoever, I'd like to hand this question to the floor... over to you guys Very Happy
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PostSubject: Being calm during a fight or working through an adrenaline dump?   Thu Apr 17, 2008 9:02 pm

...just from my experiences--mostly job related,
maybe there is some neat endpoint where i'm always in the zone
or something. until then, my mental state is not always predictable, so i've assumed (rightfully or wrongfully) that i should just try and work
with myself until i've had enough experiences with these situations that i don't think so much and just react. there are times when i've
been training more, with more repetition work, more contact with partners, more resistance training, etc...where i definitely feel more numbed (in a good way). i've always felt better with spontanious things, than if there is some predictable build up. so much so that if i know something is going to happen, i try to shut off and be still--like some kind of equal and opposite reaction to where i may have to take it.
nice to see this question.
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PostSubject: Re: Interesting question...   Thu Apr 17, 2008 11:52 pm

I think it's a good thing for what you are using it for.
I wouldn't overdo it personally, if it's a true rush.

Remember, adrenaline is dumped so that it can be used.
Might want to pound the heavy bag as soon as possible.
Just my opinion.
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PostSubject: Re: Interesting question...   Tue Apr 29, 2008 12:23 pm

To the original inquisitor "Si": If you are reading this, "Si", please tell me who trained you to do a controlled adrenal release, how long you can sustain/extend the release or what was the maximum time you have actually sustained the dump, and how much adrenaline can you release in a 10 second time period. Also, can you do it without any visualization or stimuli present, IE lying down alone in a field and dump it on command, as naturally as you would raise a finger? Was your blood pressure/heart rate being monitored during practise and what were the ranges from highest to when it started to get lower due to the loss of adrenaline? If you learned this by yourself, how long did it take you to master, how did you go about the process, and how long have you extened the dump and at roughly what amount of adrenaline can you dump and keep it releasing? Thank you Very Happy
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PostSubject: Re: Interesting question...   Tue Apr 29, 2008 12:59 pm

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Remember, adrenaline is dumped so that it can be used.
Might want to pound the heavy bag as soon as possible.
Just my opinion.

Agreed. Just don't practise anything new to you or any technique that requires precison such as an eye or throat strike. Also practise those before you do any strength, anarobic, or aerobic workouts otherwise those strikes will become "hardwired" a bit slopppy. I think what Carl meant about pounding the heavy bag is to bend or put dents in the damn thing with simple things like crosses, jabs, straights, hooks, palm strikes, elbows, etc,.
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PostSubject: Re: Interesting question...   Wed Apr 30, 2008 12:44 pm

In response to Si, if he's here. While I doubt that you can consciously simply create a true adrenaline dump in your bloodstream in the same manner you'd consciously blow a fart (as it looked like you were saying above Si) I assume it's a misunderstanding sort of thing and you got the usual violent state of mind based on some thinking-startegy you used.

If I am getting this right, you're wondering wether the adrenaline is a good thing or if it's a bad thing because you're supposed to be so confident in your visualization that you don't even get a rush. Personally I'd say the adrenaline is a good thing. Scinse the visualizations are meant to let you build and access an aggressive and ferocious state of mind. Adrenaline gives your body access to more energy, more strength and speed. On the other hand it also makes your thinking crude and... I wouldn't say stupid, but less-intellectual, because your body prioritizes the hard and fast functions and not higher thinking, digestion and that stuff. One Vietnam vet or something I read about tried to talk to an enemy he was fighting close up with. Trying to get the guy to give up, but all that came out of his mouth was "aaaaargghhh" so it didn't work so well and he killed him.

On the other hand, perhaps for less severe situations, you'd want more confidence than adrenaline, but I think these may not be mutually exclusive options. More like stages parallel to the level of escalation. I.e., you're in the fence, talking and the situation doesen't warrant going berzerk. It is the time for confidence, not adrenaline. But then it escalates and three guys are trying to fuck you up. Then you need adrenaline. If you want both you might want to train them in these kinds of stages.

See yourself being approached, seting up the fence, doing your confidence thing and all, then escalate the conflict and do your adrenaline thing. That might work for you.

BTW why is there a sort of duality between confidence and adrenaline? Does that imply that the adrenal dump must be based on fear? I'd rather not. Why not base it on confidence? Naturally most people have reservations about fighting so there will usually be some fear, but fear shouldn't dominate the state. The way I see it anyway. Now you get backed into a corner and have to fight, fair enough, but just because you have to do it doesen't mean you can't like it. ("like" and like... to an extent of course). If it is a sort of eager, sadistic thing ie., "bloodthirst," that should work

That'll have to do for now. Just some thoughts.
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PostSubject: Re: Interesting question...   Wed Apr 30, 2008 11:06 pm

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I doubt that you can consciously simply create a true adrenaline dump in your bloodstream in the same manner you'd consciously blow a fart

Yes it can and many people can do it, have done it, and are being trained to do it as we speak. It takes some training or self-practise, but it it is 100% possible to achieve. The amount of the dump and the extent of the release can also be consciously controlled. This is usually used as a way of suicide if nothing else is present to achieve the suicide.
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PostSubject: Re: Interesting question...   Thu May 01, 2008 9:49 pm

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I doubt that you can consciously simply create a true adrenaline dump in your bloodstream in the same manner you'd consciously blow a fart

Yes it can and many people can do it, have done it, and are being trained to do it as we speak. It takes some training or self-practise, but it it is 100% possible to achieve. The amount of the dump and the extent of the release can also be consciously controlled. This is usually used as a way of suicide if nothing else is present to achieve the suicide.

You're kidding, right?

affraid

Why am I not dead yet?

bounce

I've been blowing farts consciously for years now! What a Face
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PostSubject: Re: Interesting question...   Mon May 05, 2008 12:29 pm

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I doubt that you can consciously simply create a true adrenaline dump in your bloodstream in the same manner you'd consciously blow a fart

Yes it can and many people can do it, have done it, and are being trained to do it as we speak. It takes some training or self-practise, but it it is 100% possible to achieve. The amount of the dump and the extent of the release can also be consciously controlled. This is usually used as a way of suicide if nothing else is present to achieve the suicide.

Hmm... I mean, controlling your adrenal glands in the same way you control your finger? Direct conscious control of the autonomic nervous system? I find that hard to believe. But in case we're all just talking across each other here there's no reason to dispute that you can create the same effects indirectly through some good imagination exercises. I know for a fact that it works pretty well both for calming down and working onself up. But that's what you meant anyway right?
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PostSubject: Re: Interesting question...   Fri May 09, 2008 6:06 am

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But in case we're all just talking across each other here there's no reason to dispute that you can create the same effects indirectly through some good imagination exercises. I know for a fact that it works pretty well both for calming down and working onself up. But that's what you meant anyway right?
Hi RicharB, no I meant without any use of imagination. Direct control as if you are raising your arm. I suppose the "Si" is not around so the topic went a little off track. Take care mate.
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PostSubject: Re: Interesting question...   Fri May 09, 2008 11:39 am

What Ive started doing when people send me questions about fighting on myspace and facebook (which I really dont like by the way so please never do it! I use those sites to network and stay in contact with my friends not answer "palm vs fist" "thumb the eye or the anus" questions) is just sending a polite reply like

"hey ive posted your question on my forum"

that way I can get you guys involved and draw from a wider knowledge base .... and get a response to them fast while i work around to getting the time together to do it myself... yes i use you all as a violent information buffer Razz

Now a couple of times of doing that the original questioner hasnt even bothered to join the forum, which leads to another great advantage to this process: it filters out detritus

by detritus i mean people who just want a response from me for the sake of getting one or stirring political poo poo

last email on myspace in this vein went like this

"Richie, have you heard of SCARS?"

my response?

"yes I have"

no further response was forthcoming

I am not an information slut, you cant just poke me an expect a response Razz

I need to be seduced with a nice long, well worded, polite question that might drop in a compliment or two... anything that makes me feel like a 2 dollar "pay and pump" RBSD ho gets binned.

Its a shame "Si" opted out of joining the forum, though in fairness he may well even now be watching from the wings... waiting for the moment... like a snake Very Happy
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PostSubject: Re: Interesting question...   Fri May 09, 2008 8:16 pm

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he may well even now be watching from the wings... waiting for the moment... like a snake Very Happy

LOOOOL that clip was one of the strangest things I've seen.
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PostSubject: Re: Interesting question...   Sun May 11, 2008 12:36 am

Sergei wrote:
Hi RicharB, no I meant without any use of imagination. Direct control as if you are raising your arm. I suppose the "Si" is not around so the topic went a little off track. Take care mate.

Ok. Doesen't sound all that impossible when I think about all the wierd stuff people can be trained to do. It definitely seems worth looking into though. Do you know how it works? I.e., how it's trained and all that.
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