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PostSubject: "Mentally Ill" man beat down in dojo   Wed Aug 26, 2009 1:57 pm

Hi guys,
This videos been doing the rounds and I thought i'd see wht you make of it. Theres a bit of hype surrounding it but to be honest i don't think theres any evidence to support it outside of what you see on the video (i.e. the guy died). Basically the guy busts into a dojo and says he wants to teach some moves. He says he's a priest in an unknown form of karate and was trained by Jesus Christ. I understand that walking into another mans dojo and saying you want to teach is direspectful but it's clear the man's not right in the head and I don't agree with the way this was handled by student or instructor (Bobby J Blythe). This was apparently shot in 1984.

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PostSubject: Re: "Mentally Ill" man beat down in dojo   Wed Aug 26, 2009 2:41 pm

That video actually seemed real interesting. Note that virtually none of the karate seemed to create any results. Blackbelt Dennis' barroom stuff is what did all the work.

This was a criminal assault no doubt. While people talk about instructor Blythe and his wrongdoing, his part seems mostly to have been abysmal judgement calls (he was actually the guy who recently uploaded the clip to the net in the first place, from which a big internet shitstorm immediately began forming), but the primary bad guy has to be Dennis. He's the guy who started the fight and ended it la thug. Anyway there seems to be more than enough stupidity to go around for everyone in that clip. Sympathy for no one.

The clip is of interest because it has very nicely captured the breaking point between martial arts training and actual violence. This is rare to see, as of course, martial artists do not fight. It also stands as an example of how quickly bullshit can escalate beyond control of anyone involved. Why violence is nothing to fuck with as if it was some movie. Some say Jesus-fu died, others say he lived and at some point ended up in a mental institution. But he did get knocked the hell out, and the potential for some sub or epidural hematoma or something was definitely there. So who knows.

Well, anyway. You can hear in Blythe's introductory speech that the sarcasm is running high. He is really fucking with the guy. But they are jacked up and ready. The tension in the room can be carved with a knife. It seems clear that the fun and harassment is only a thin cover for more serious monkeybusiness. The evil plan was probably just to humiliate and maybe slap the guy around a bit so they could all say in chorus that their karate was better than his kung fu.

On to the demonstration. Whether knowingly or not, Jesus-fu is a sneaky little bastard. Dennis was a marine SGT and a fresh black-belt. Jesus-fu pulls the effectively passive-aggressive dominance move of asking Dennis if he is scared of him. He continues to reassure Dennis as if he is some frightened kid, and instructs him with some ridiculous basics. Then he wants the Marine SGT to stand at attention for him! Another sneaky dominance move from a pretend-alpha contender invading another ape's turf. A man's ego will only bend so far before monkeys come out of the woodwork (seems like it was brittle to begin with). Dennis has had enough. In reply to Jesus-fu's request to stand at attention he asks; "like this?" and places a foot in Jesus-fu's nutsack. And - cue the Benny Hill theme - one hell of a ridiculous fight begins.

Jesus-fu stands as an example of martial arts delusion on many levels. He appears to treat is all as a duel of skill ("aha, you got that one, yoo gung foo veyy goo"), his attacks do not seem to have any oomph - or at least sincerity - to them. The more he is beaten, the more he begins to talk. Maybe a bad habit from some dojo? Don Pentecost said punks will do that when they find they've taken water over their head. Guess it's instinctual on some level to try diverting attention away from fighting... Oh boy, and the sounds he makes! and the floppy arm movements. No Rolling Eyes Laughing

Too many kung fu flicks, to little reality.

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PostSubject: Re: "Mentally Ill" man beat down in dojo   Wed Aug 26, 2009 2:52 pm

tragic--in a word. not an anomoly either. i've seen countless nutters like this
in DC and they invariably flock into dojo's 'dabbling'. many can actually fight,
and many can't fight well enough so as not to elicate a whooping from an
incensed senior student.

i can think of one from a kung fu place i trained in--a guy who never bathed
and eventually overstepped his confidence and forwardness.

and another from a tkd place i trained in...the m/o is startlingly similar.

avoidable, to say the least. or perhaps bullying, end of. my tkd teacher used
to have a fetish with milder forms of 'entertainment-value' to these types. he'd
wear his flashy track suit with his dojo name on the back. he had at least a hand
full of stories of the challenging 'heyyyyyy'yah" types, who got leveled on their
collective asses. i get the feeling this happens everywhere.

my distaste for it wasn't 'early-on'...even as the guy said he didn't want to fight.
it went into overdrive when the guy said, "you're good, you got it" trying to shake his
hand and just politely leave. he was essentially assaulted, and all because of a slite
that could have been handled by a more serious person by simply throwing him out
and explaining that he shouldn't come back unless wanting to train--kinda like. i'm
saying this as someone who really doesn't get the 'insult' factor. people have issued
me the same challenge, to which i've just said..."train with me if you like, but you're
on my time now...that's all i got for you."

we've even had something like that in my concervative shotokan dojo...i guess all
that machismo sometimes channels through arseholes in odd ways. a good argument
to keep big picture perspectives. and not train with mr. blythe i reckon.

it's important not to look up to your teacher on all subjects, but to at least having some
common ground. i almost considered training with a reknowned and notorious ex'gangster
korean master in DC. he tried to receive me a bit like i had disrespected him. odd experience.
i realized that i could have tried hard to show more cultural relativity--and back pedal my
way into his graces...but i decided i didn't like his sensabilities, which would invariably
resurface...he, not surprizingly, trained many skins in DC...several that had their scrapes
with the law. he was proud of his ex'gangster status.

interesting clip...makes me think of many things. self control among them. worth the 'teachable
moment' of how to not take oneself too seriously whilst in the teacher's hat.
also reminds me of what happens when too many males--who don't possess real leadership,
are all sharing the same space. teacher was weak not to stop it, student was weak not to recognize
it as simply bullying--wavy arm jitsu and all.

hey RichB...i think we just posted at the same time...you're just too quick geek

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PostSubject: Re: "Mentally Ill" man beat down in dojo   Wed Aug 26, 2009 2:58 pm

RichardB wrote:



On to the demonstration. Whether knowingly or not, Jesus-fu is a sneaky little bastard. Dennis was a marine SGT and a fresh black-belt. Jesus-fu pulls the effectively passive-aggressive dominance move of asking Dennis if he is scared of him. He continues to reassure Dennis as if he is some frightened kid, and instructs him with some ridiculous basics. Then he wants the Marine SGT to stand at attention for him! Another sneaky dominance move from a pretend-alpha contender invading another ape's turf. A man's ego will only bend so far before monkeys come out of the woodwork (seems like it was brittle to begin with). Dennis has had enough. In reply to Jesus-fu's request to stand at attention he asks; "like this?" and places a foot in Jesus-fu's nutsack.

To be honest the passive aggresive stuff went over my head. I can definetly see why the foot was delivered to the testiclay. That being said he (jesus-fu) didn't seem physically aggresive and spoke softly so I kind of thought they might just watch him perform his "kata" and mock him.

I noticed while he was grounded the karate guy delivered a knee drop, is this a karate move? I've only ever seen Dan Severn use it in the early ufc.

On another note i took the ending as a cutionary tale. Head stomps are not to be taken lightly or rather should not be delivered unless the threat is serious enough.
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PostSubject: Re: "Mentally Ill" man beat down in dojo   Wed Aug 26, 2009 3:10 pm

what a bunch of loosers! just give the mental guy an ice cream and let him out of the dojo, problem solved.
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PostSubject: Re: "Mentally Ill" man beat down in dojo   Wed Aug 26, 2009 3:21 pm

Chulo wrote///
what a bunch of loosers! just give the mental guy an ice cream and let him out of the dojo, problem solved.

lol! lol! lol!

well said..."make that two ice-creams...we'll take a walk and eat them together,
don't come back alright...there you go mate....chocolate? my fav' too..."

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PostSubject: Re: "Mentally Ill" man beat down in dojo   Tue Sep 01, 2009 5:11 pm

Bit late on this post but...

Did anybody else's stomach turn over when jesus-fu got stomped at the end and the head honcho says to drag him out the back door?

And it's hard to say, because I too get highly enraged and see the red mist when somebody is trying to fight me, but guy in the white gi must be a sociopath or on a massive ego trip to keep on going full force when jesus fu obviously wanted no more saying "you're good, you're good". And then to stomp him while he's sleeping? What the fuck?

I've been angered to violence, but I've also had the fight totally drain from my mind and body on two occasions when the guy I was about to give it to started to cry.

I can say that like the guy in the white gi, I am a fighter. But unlike him, I am also a human being (who has definitely become softer since becoming a dad Smile)

I'd like to see him get tracked down and charged for this.
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PostSubject: Re: "Mentally Ill" man beat down in dojo   Tue Sep 01, 2009 6:35 pm

the guy in the white gi was not a good fighter, he was so happy he finally actually can beat someone!!
so he enjoyed the max of it.
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PostSubject: Re: "Mentally Ill" man beat down in dojo   Wed Sep 02, 2009 12:29 am

Dont know how I missed this thread, but dam....

That sucked... I hate to see people being taken advantage of by obvious assholes. I have been challenged by a mentally challenged deaf mute in my schools parking lot one evening and not once did I think of stomping his head into the asphalt.

It did make my stomach turn.
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PostSubject: Re: "Mentally Ill" man beat down in dojo   Wed Sep 02, 2009 11:44 am

roadkill wrote:


It did make my stomach turn.

I think what made it bad for me is that I have come across two people who came to our MMA class and behaved in EXACTLY the same way. (Interestingly, both were black males like the guy in the video too scratch )

One guy came quite a few times, totally disrupted the class and totally sucked at the training. We did actually all conspire to up-the-ante with him to make him go somewhere else (which he did) but at no time did we want to use him as a punch bag. We just made his experience un-enjoyable so he wouldn't come back.

Also, I had a strange experience while watching the video... my 17month son was sleeping in the other room and I heard him stirring so I turned the volume down a bit. Then it occurred to me just before jesus-fu got stomped that this guy was somebody's son. So it made me cringe all the more - I had humanized him in my mind even more, right before his body got dragged out.

Funny thing is, I've seen worse footage and similar situation in real life - without being effected at all. Goes to show that what state you are in at the time makes a huge difference to how things effect you.

Anyway, that's my little story over. Smile
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PostSubject: Re: "Mentally Ill" man beat down in dojo   Wed Sep 02, 2009 3:39 pm

thanks for posting, very interesting clip

so the guy uploaded a video of himself and his students committing a crime and then gloating about it?

I agree with whats been said, a very needlessly nasty, passive aggressive, sarcastic approach that ended in what was doubtless at least a very serious injury, for failing to stop him after the knee shot knocked the head case out, Im sure all students present are guilty in part

in the video from the moment the guy says he is taught by Jesus Christ you know what happens next is totally unfair, he needed that ice cream and a friendly chat

he might just not have taken his meds that day, you cant batter people for being annoying for gods sake!

I sincerely hope justice is served- this is bullying, domination and assault plain and simple
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PostSubject: Re: "Mentally Ill" man beat down in dojo   Sat Sep 05, 2009 8:35 pm

Looks like this is under investigation http://www.kmph.com/Global/story.asp?S=10973483
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PostSubject: Re: "Mentally Ill" man beat down in dojo   Sun Sep 06, 2009 3:08 am

That was the most tragic thing I have seen in such a long time.

At around the 4:12 mark on that video, the guy in the white gi mumbles "mother fucker" as he's hammering the poor guy with punches. The stomping on his head, the total dehumanization of "dragging him out the back door"....

Thankfully this crime was caught on tape and hopefuly it will bring justice to that innocent man.

As has been stated already it would have been so easy to escort him out(especially with so many other men in there) he was no threat at all.

That's one of those things I wish I had never seen, yet in a certain way I'm glad I did.(if that makes sense)

Sorry if I sound like I'm trying to wax philosophical, but the answer to the eternal question "Does evil really exist and are people inherently evil?" Sadly, at least today, the answer seems to be "yes".
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PostSubject: Re: "Mentally Ill" man beat down in dojo   Sun Sep 06, 2009 8:32 am

yeah man, if you get older it seems to be that everybody is evil, everybody is caring about their own ass.
but in this clip its only a fragment of the story, (maby this guy raped his sister or killid his mom?) the same fragment now suddenly seems much more justified..

strange how a same thing can get a different emotion.

soo its not about the beating, its because it loooks sooo unfair!
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PostSubject: Re: "Mentally Ill" man beat down in dojo   Sat Sep 12, 2009 11:19 am

Yeah, my stomach really turned at the end too pale where he's unconscious and trying to breath through the blood of his newly broken nose.... No

Being challenged in one's own dojo in the martial arts world is a somewhat common thing and a lot of people exploit this... but this guy clearly had problems upstairs. The whole assault was completely un-necessary and, it seemed the attacker and his buddies really enjoyed it, which makes me even more ill....... No

When I took karate the sensei would occasionally come over from Okinawa and he ALWAYS stressed violence as a last resort, and anything you learn, practice, master or aspire to teach should always be done in the spirit of self defence ONLY. Whether the karate practice is goju-ryu or whatever, that spirit was clearly lost in this dojo. Talk about immoral....

On another note, there are interesting lessons in this. In a few minutes we go from verbal jousting and mockery to a serious assault. Might watch it again if I can stomach it.... wonder what body language we can pick up from 'thug fu' before he kicks it off?
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PostSubject: Re: "Mentally Ill" man beat down in dojo   Fri Oct 02, 2009 10:18 pm

Story update video here
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PostSubject: Re: "Mentally Ill" man beat down in dojo   Sat Oct 03, 2009 10:44 am

I cant see anything mate
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PostSubject: Re: "Mentally Ill" man beat down in dojo   Sat Oct 03, 2009 11:51 am

Sorry, I had the link on the word "here"
Full URL = http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wObjWdQBeA4
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PostSubject: Re: "Mentally Ill" man beat down in dojo   Sat Oct 03, 2009 2:14 pm

thanks for that mate
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PostSubject: Re: "Mentally Ill" man beat down in dojo   Sat Oct 03, 2009 5:33 pm

The beating was clearly a crime, especially the finish, but nothing hair-raising or abnormal about it. Just another stomping among many stompings. The most interesting thing about the whole deal is how people are reacting to this. Man they are bloodthirsty! There is a lot of irrationality in play.

I hear a lot of commentators saying all of the people in the room should be punished. Especially as nobody intervened to help. Now there might be some legal support to it in the sense that not reporting it makes them a part of it, but you have to ask, is it realistic to expect that kind of behavior?

From what I can tell, it is not.

Especially against one's own group. Going up against a leading figure of the group no less. the dynamics of the situation. And the dojo seems to have had some strong tendencies toward a cult like psychological environment. Take these lectures at BJB's dojo.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VXhLCsVFUgM&feature=related

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TtA4QpJo1jk&feature=related

Got to go, mid-post, but I'll see if I can resume the thought trail later. In any case, expecting intervention in general, and especially in that place at that time seems downright utopian.

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