... So I figured it had more to do with psychology than anything else. I highly recommend all 16 clips. If you click on the vid, it should take you to YT. You can then click on the username of the dude who uploaded it and catch the rest....

All societies inform their members how to act and give them a set of norms.All people living in any form of socsity are "mind controlled" and good thing to other wise societ wouldnt work at all and humanity would survive beyond the animal level.And yes we are indeed manipulated by advertising etc etc, hut to claim their is a satanic military control centre of some kind is something I simply refuse to believe.

Hahaha, I realised when I was a bit younger that it really makes NO DIFFERENCE if they control us or not. Ignorance is bliss. It's why I stopped reading George Monbiot's books, exposé's etc. We undoubtedly live in a skewed society, and are lied to all the time (ask anybody and they'll agree), but at the moment nobody has a gun to my head, and life is [relatively] good.

I'm just after doing my time in comfort then shuffling off this mortal coil. Why educate yourself about the injustices done to our culture and society? Most people are to naiive or fickle to act even when there is a problem. I hate to say it but modern life has anaethsetised us all, going against the grain seems very futile.

Not very philanthropic but there you go. It's a good thing that people are aware, and nice to know we're not alone. Peace out brothers (and any 'sisters' you're very welcome to post pics).

Sharif, then I guess allowing us free access to mountains of books and other information that argue against such a world view is also part of the consipracy? In other words "they" allow the contrary to be written to better hide themselves? Sorry,but unless everything I have ever read, heard or studied has been part of their mind control matrix, then I am sure that I am on solid ground believing that no such thing exists as portrayed by this person.As well how can this person expect the rest of to believe him when we are all robots? How did he break free? How did the film crew the investors the producers the distributors ( we are now into hundreds of people) break free? or maybe he is a part of the plot too? Sorry Sharif , no offence I hope, but I dont buy it all.There are other more important things to look at in terms of the way we really are being manipulated.Regards

and i would add that this is a big world representing every possible culture and subculture. if you look for it, you'll find it.
i remember as a teen, finding a group [because of a thug friend that was spending alot of time homeless] a so called satanic crew that was nothing more than some mentally unstable youths trying to affix a monikar to their emotional instability--claiming to be a part of a tennessee group that would sacrifice homeless people.

it backfired on my brutish and gullible friend, who decided they were telling the truth, and so became so frightened he decided to beat the shit out of them with the [as he called it] "right hand of God".

i would believe that there are people who are calling themselves that, and who maybe believe some of what they say is
true--after all "fear tends to lead people to the edge and near falling" [human nature]. but i would also believe that they
are rationalizing their own collective imbalances and ascribing sexy 'dark power' themes to it to remove their responsibility
to what is happening around them. when they are healed--so called, they are sort of finding the courage to move away from their unhealthy addictive dark human qualities. the mind is just SO powerful, if you believe satan is sucking you down the path, then for all intensive purposes mate, he/she/it/whatever is.

i worked with a religious guy who thought like this and blamed satan--in the end, for putting a bullet in his security supervisors head. the best defense against such beliefs is to focus on the antithesis of this equation. i don't know how many people i've met--that are religious, and instead of focussing on the love of god/ra/allah/siva or anything else in a dichotomized belief system, they focus instead on getting away from the evil. in affect, they are worshipers of evil by making it their focal points of reference. there are two paths to the diety, even among hindus--among many other ways of believing i'm sure. the path that takes in EVERYTHING as an act of god and ultimately doesn't internally suffer but later learns to discriminate according to the things that carry less weighty karma--under the idea that all is for learning and mistakes aren't to be made twice. then there are the 'neti neti' [not this; not that] group that focus on all that is bad and how to stay clear of it. the latter is a path of inner struggle and brings much inner turmoil and battle.

in short. what you worry about is in fact true, you made it true. focus on the light. don't worship the sun by running from the moon. smile and look directly at the sun. enjoy life and light, and lightheartedness. everything under the sun is represented in our wacky world, and most of it is the work of madness and not to be taken seriously. all the 'visions' and 'speaking in tongues', etc...is just simple human 'hallucinations'. the spiritual life, just like the world of real fighting...is less sexy, and more direct and simple.

nirvikalpa samadhi is as much finding the diety [for some] as finding a still and clear place of no yolks and burdens [like the vid above] to others. don't get tied and yolked to other people's madness.

i always remember this daft--but spiritual, woman at the ashram, who'd claim to see the spirits of animals by their dead bodies by the roadside. she'd 'comfort them' and 'pray for them'. my meditation teacher--not even my guru, just one of his students, looked her dead in the eye and said, "as long as you can keep balanced, i suppose it wont hurt you to believe this...but these are all illusions and hallucinations, ultimately...just meditate". nicely and calmly, without reaction. the same guy who i talked to when i felt like gravity wasn't in my body and that i was so blissed out i really didn't care for my family or anything--could have walked out like a bliss crazed sadhu, he said to me "don't cling to it, a nice experience Baba would refer to as the astrol plane, keep meditating and just be happy for the experience". i thought i was the next fricking krishna, or whatever, he just calmly said it was a nice side benefit of meditating deeply--and that i should move on.

so many things can derail us, side track us, and worry us to no end.
respectfully i say, ignore them and focus on what propells you forward and not on what frightens you beyond rational thought.

and i say this as one imperfect son-of-a-bitch who only speaks when i absolutely feel it's necessary on such matters.
i'm the moron who knew that the above vid is not to be treated like the real enemy. the real enemy--it always has been, is within. the mind is just so strong.

Much food for thought.....

I do try to live the way you say Russ, focusing on the light. You know, law of attraction and all that. So I don't really want to feed the problem by obsessing over it.

Danite, I wouldn't say I agree with this guy 100%, but I also think there is more than meets the eye and yes, I think i've seen enough to believe that there are secret societies and the like that have quite a bit of control over our Westernized world. But to put it in perspective, it's not like one secret group control the whole world through direct thought control, but more like the most rich and therefore most powerful people tend to come from families who (mostly in the past) practiced all kinds of weirdness like freemasonry. And I also strongly believe that the people who do have the most control are trying to move society towards a new world order of total control. Which leads me to....

In response to you Mike, the reason I can't ignore it is because I can't help but be angered by the fact that my son has been born into a world in which ultimately (if things don't change) he could end up as dumb slave to the system in a very hostile world.

And that's my dilemma... how to affect change without giving to much of my attention to the problem

Loved your post Russ

Sharif -
Jim Hightower once said something like "Even the smallest dog can piss on the corner of the biggest corporate office building" ... or words to that effect.
I am a firm believer in the impossibility of being able to FULLY control anything however powerful you are. Murphy's law, Heisenberg, chaos theory, quantum mechanics, entropy - all at work, all the time, every day. There are just too many opportunites for miscalculation, wrong assumptions and frack ups -just look at wars past and present for examples of the awesome human ability to miscalculate!
Not to say one should not question, be informed, be aware, think critically etc, and push back against the powerful trying to gain a firmer grip on their stash.
But remember - "Living well is the best revenge" as they say .... and there is still plenty of sunshine to go around.
I'll re-quote Chogyam Trungpa here if you don't mind -
"Hold the sadness and pain of samsara in your heart and at the same time the power an vision of the Great Eastern Sun. Then the warrior can make a proper cup of tea".

Sharif I totally understand where you are coming from with regards to your son, and understand why [for you] ignorance is not a choice. Thanks for opening my eyes beyond my immediate situation. You're not alone in your concerns, if that helps any.

Russ that is a very interesting post, and reminds me of Richard (i think) saying; 'what you resist, persists'
Now I see where he was coming from. If you live your life avoiding something (world issues, death, unhappiness or fuel economy on a certain 1999 Ford Ka) it will become the centrepeice of your life.


Danite, interesting point about our 'free' culture allowing access to material that contradicts the presumed agenda of those in power. It's certainly a contradiction to those impulsive conspiracy theorists' ill informed views that we live in The Matrix.
Personally I do believe that people who read all of the contraversial (and mostly correct) material, are such a minority that they are likely to have little say in a society that is not interested in what they have to share. Almost as if they will be social exclusions for the simple fact that most people don't care anyway or they themselves would already belong in that 'niche'.
It sickens me to look at our culture (UK).

Interestingly there is a sociological theory called the 'Hyperdermic syringe model [I think]' that suggests peoples views on the world (and their concept of society) are a result of the media giving them the 'template'.
Because the media is ran exclusively by the middle and upper classes, without deliberately doing so they pass on their beliefs, values and assuptions to the working class 'consumers'.

Counter to this is the theory that the media simply reflects peoples opinions and writes not to inform, but to reflect and sympathise. (I.e the media will reflect peoples beliefs and prejudices, otherwise people would not buy it)

Personally, I believe we have the worst of both. I.E we have 'gutter' TV like Britains Got Talent at primetime promoting social 'losers' wanting quick fame, and then later we have programs like 'The Secret Millionaire' and 'Dragons Den' apparently spreading the message that rich people are to be aspired to and revered.

I did a year of Sociology at A-Level standard and interestingly, all of the 'conspiracy' theories about manipulation of the population, etc are TAUGHT. What I mean is, they aren't conspiracies, they are tried and tested hypotheses. The entire point of Sociology is to understand what we are currently duscussing. People have doctorates at this sort of knowledge!

As a society we do have the scientific and educational capability to notice, document and understand certain traits (such as manipulation of voters by party propaganda) but taking 'action' is never done.
I have a strong conviction that our society has no inclination to change simply because subconsciously the mass of brains in influential positions (including almost all middle class proffessionals) have made the idea of questioning the system an unprofitable move (in terms of social status and career). This applies from TV presenters to teachers in schools to local MP's to business tycoons.

It's late here and i haven't proof read my 'theory' above for any obvious flaws, but with a little sympathetic thinking I think it's possible to sort of see my 'angle'. Yes there are exceptions, people who 'rocked the boat', but they are exceptions - the exception proves the rule.

What i'm claiming is that society is a complex organism that is not conscious, but instead continues to proliferate itself simply by existing. You could see it as an organism with no competitors, but an entity in itself none the less. It hasn't 'grown' into what it is currently, rather it has evolved in the same way the birds on the Galapogos have. It is a self-contained self-fulfilling prophecy that survives because it exists, almost like life itself. Domestic society has certainly become a lot less volatile in the past century, and perhaps that is because the organism either splits asexually or amalgamates with others...

you're Mature and Self Aware for a 20 year old Mike (I give compliments sparingly, hold on it, it may be your last from me in this incarnation )

Interesting topic, a few things:

obviously we are controlled

obviously its not total info lock down

obviously more than one conspiracy/ sly agenda fulfillment programme can be run at any one time

obviously there is money to be made in peddling conspircay theories (beware the agenda, cui bono?)

obviously if you have an agenda and resources and are experienced in propaganda, disinformation and perception control you will have infiltrated the conspiracy theory peddlers to the hilt (beware the agenda, cui bono?)

obviously, one day, even the sun will die

obviously, tommorow morning whatever you say or think about this or any subject you will wake up and have to get on with your life

obviously, the masonic principle "as above so below, as within so without" holds true, so to understand how all this stuff works, you need look no further than what is right in front of your eyes right now, on this forum... or within your own home... or within your own self

cui bono?

Interesting points Mike. Esp on the times certain programs are shown. The only thing I may counter is that, for me, what I feel has changed me quite a lot recently is that I've come to realize that society hasn't naturally evolved into it's current state. Instead, we are where we are because of the various deliberate actions of certain people (the 'elite' I guess). And they have become more blatant in doing so recently. Once I took that 'red pill' and started to admit to myself that 'they' (whoever they are) exist, the whole world actually started to make a hell of a lot more sense. And every one else I know who also took that pill feels the same.

Danite, one thing I forgot to say in response to your posts is that the reason counter-information is 'allowed' is the same reason that when a good liar tells a lie, they will give snippets of the truth to make people feel they aren't being kept totally in the dark. Why they haven't yet shut-down Youtube or the other means of info-sharing amongst the 'Truth movement' I can only assume is because the idiots amongst the movement who are talking about all-out rebellion and armed resistance are taking the movement towards their goal of creating more chaos in society. Check out their motto: Order from Chaos. Also known as 'problem, reaction, solution'.

The other reason conspiracies are put in the public domain is to alter people's views and instant reactions towards said conspiracies. If you've got a load of fictional-based movies in the mainstream media that touch on a subject of truth, then when somebody is talking about that subject in a serious way, they aren't taken seriously. The response being "you've been watching too many movies!". The mainstream media also put conspiracy theorists (although there is very little theory in it these days) in a negative light, and want the public to see such people as crazy or paranoid.

So when I post a video like this, I get a response kinda like (no offense my brother) yours.

Well this forum and my dvds are part of the agenda.

Im a low level "illuminati" CIA handler/trainer (I did tell you all I was American not British 6 months ago but noone even bothered to ask why I dont speak with an American accent)

Im only here to draw the militant crazies out of the wood work, its fucks like you guys and girls that cause the problems when we go in for the big takeover you see, small pockets of people who are trained fanatics using guerilla tactics have proven throughout military history to potentially represent a real pain in the arse even against mighty military machines

so we have to take the survivalists, the conspiracy theorists and the martial arts folk with political opinions and "demonstrable social awareness" seriously - they cant stop us, but once they start recruiting like minded people, you have an underground resistance and before you know it people have options again

got to keep crushing the options, gives a greater sense of helplessness, people who are both terrified and without hope and out of options are much, much easier to control

so we set up a youtube channel using a likeable chubby puppett who draws in "Like minded" people, his personality is of course just a construct based on a profile of the type we are targetting, we do this in every field we seek to target. Construct a prototype personality of the target populace, values, shared experience, beliefs, mannerisms that kind of thing and just build it.

How is he such a convincing actor? we realised a long time ago that the best cover stories are the ones genuinely believed by the U.I. (industry term :useful idiot), he would pass a lie detection test because his personality is split, you could torture him and he wouldnt give anything away because he simply cant access that information- its ideal for us, the U.I. is totally convincing and totally self governing

Then we have him sell dvds and cds and run a forum- its a great way of harvesting information about potential future threats

We have asked "who is likely to give us trouble?" and you lot have willingly turned up and handed over your personal details.

So much easier this way. Like moths to a flame.

Youre not under permanent surveillance, but trust me if your instructing we have you on a list, you will be first up against the wall if/ when the "forced vaccination" riots start.

We've got you into online banking and using cash less and less and selling your gold (as a result of this "recession") which means you will have less and less to trade and are more and more trackable... but ultimately if we can't get you to take these RFID chips you can still "slip the net".

Sorry to tell you like this but you were going to work it out sooner or later.

Your ass is grass and we are the lawn mower. You've got no chance really.

Give in and we will give you a slightly bigger pod with a better software programme, you can be a rock star when we plug you back into the matrix if you like?