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PostSubject: Supra State Concept in Fiction   Sat Oct 31, 2009 1:17 pm

Manchurian Candidate

Long Kiss Goodnight

Bourne Trilogy

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PostSubject: Re: Supra State Concept in Fiction   Sat Oct 31, 2009 3:20 pm

The Secret Life Of Walter Mitty? bit weak, sorry, must do better Very Happy

Identity (2003) with John Cusack. A little bit more pertinent, sorry I'm having a off day.
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PostSubject: Re: Supra State Concept in Fiction   Sat Oct 31, 2009 9:30 pm

Just been going through the Supra States course - very useful ideas and concepts in there Richie.

As for fiction, check out the John Rain series by Barry Eisler. As well as having the best fight scenes in fiction including one in the Gracie Barra in Rio (the author is a martial artist) the main character is a half-Japanese, half-American assassin who when he has to do something really dark goes into a "supra state" he calls the Ice Man.

They're bloody good thrillers anyway, especially if you like the Bourne and newer Bond movies.
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PostSubject: Re: Supra State Concept in Fiction   Sun Nov 01, 2009 1:18 am

Blakops wrote:
The Secret Life Of Walter Mitty? bit weak, sorry, must do better Very Happy

Identity (2003) with John Cusack. A little bit more pertinent, sorry I'm having a off day.


Walter Mitty? He was outed as a Walt wasnt he? fookin Waltin bastid Very Happy

nice one Traceur, that sounds goood

here is a relevant facebook pm I got

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Your examples of movies are some of my favorite and for the same reason. I know what triggers me into a totally different state (crying uncontrollably haha). Check out LtCol David Grossman's book "On Killing." It is parallel. I've had lots of correspondence with him in the past and he's a real gentleman. For an unknown movie on the subject - old one, "Time Bomb." I read an interview with the director. Israeli, ex-commando. He wrote it as a way of working through the conditioning he received. D.Grossman's book described something I had been interested in and concerned with for a long time and was the first time I saw a book about that topic (like Bourne Identity, I'm sure there are and I'm sure they're unreachable). How things like movies and video games desensitize the player to violence and he said the 1st person shooter games are completely the same in theme to what is developed for the military. Recently, I've heard (re current conflicts) LtCol types remark how this is the first generation who seems to have little difficulty killing. What you saw in my heavy bag or shooting videos, I flip into that state and am dead serious. Snipers call it going into your bubble (that's more precision and fine control than unarmed). For me, if someone I care about or have responsibility for is endangered, I flip - it's like disassociation. If you read good military and oral history, you see one thing over and over. Men don't kill for the flag or politics, it's to save their teamies/squaddies. I'm digressing here a little but it's the human aspect of conflict and the fact that I'm such a scardie-cat which has caused me to study this for decades! I have friends with connections which are unbelievable who believe the Manchurian Candidate w/o hesitation. "Is this Richard?" "Yes" "Is this Richard Grannon?" mouth opens slightly and eyes glaze... Wink


I'll keep that one anonymous for obvious reasons

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PostSubject: Re: Supra State Concept in Fiction   Sun Nov 01, 2009 3:44 am

Cool

Games for training. May I present one I have myself for the old Xbox.

America's Army: Rise of The Soldier.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/America%27s_Army:_Rise_of_a_Soldier

Training & recruitment tool for the US Army. Though the wiki doesnt state it, apparently it is available for free as playable PC game from a US ARMY website. It was considerably more realistic than a lot of army based shooters when it came out. Training you to shoot centre body mass & in the early stages sending you back to Boot camp if you dont adhere to the NPC's requests.

And you didnt mention Zoolander in the original list Laughing (but you did on the vid)
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PostSubject: Re: Supra State Concept in Fiction   Sun Nov 01, 2009 10:11 pm

Another one I just thought of - Viggo Mortensen's character in A History of Violence.

This is a great movie and worth watching so here is a SPOILER WARNING
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Viggo Mortensen plays Tom Stall a family man who runs a small town diner. One night two bad guys come in with some seriously antisocial intentions. Stall kills them both using a hot coffee pot and then one of their own guns.

It turns out in a former life Stall was Joey a mob killer. There are only two or three violent scenes in the movie but when he gets going he doesn't waste any time - palm smashes to the face, web hands to the throat, windpipe stomps etc.

There is one great scene where he turns to his son and you don't know whether he is Tom or Joey. You could say Joey is who he really is and Tom (the nice guy) is his supra state.
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PostSubject: Re: Supra State Concept in Fiction   Sun Nov 01, 2009 10:51 pm

Good call, History of violence is one of the few movies that I have kept the dvd of after ripping it.

Also slightly more in keeping & to make up for my poor efforts earlier, Telefon (1977) with Charles Bronson & Donald Pleasence. USSR sleeper agents in the US activated by a rogue KGB agent, the Russians cant inform the US Govt so send in Bronson, undercover to stop the sleepers. They are activated by the last stanza from Robert Fro's poem Stopping By Woods on a Snowy Evening


The woods are lovely, dark and deep.
But I have promises to keep,
And miles to go before I sleep,
And miles to go before I sleep.
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PostSubject: Re: Supra State Concept in Fiction   Sun Nov 01, 2009 11:21 pm

Hmmm.. To go out on a limb here, what about Chopper?

Seems to me that when he's violent he's not exactly himself (in the film interpretation).

Oh crap, I misinterpreted the entire bloody thread. OK my new entry is..

Total Recall.. after an entirity of thought. It might pass as one.. Laughing


.. There must be a James Bond film where it's occurred ..
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PostSubject: Re: Supra State Concept in Fiction   Tue Nov 03, 2009 5:04 am

What about Clubbed? Based of Geoff Thompsons book.

It shows a transformation of a timid guy who doesn't stick up for himself to someone who decides one day to get it handled.

Shows good changes in mindset.

Coming from a nightclub security angle, thats why I like it alot.

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PostSubject: Re: Supra State Concept in Fiction   Tue Nov 03, 2009 10:32 am

Good example of change of state. Hated the film though. Please dont kill me, Geoff!!

Bouncer with Ray winstone & Paddy Considine was much better, even though it was a short. won an Oscar for that one. Can be found on Youtube.
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PostSubject: Re: Supra State Concept in Fiction   Wed Nov 04, 2009 11:15 pm



Thought this was a pretty good example. Met the guy who made it once. In an MMA class of all places Smile
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PostSubject: Re: Supra State Concept in Fiction   Wed Nov 04, 2009 11:18 pm

Beyonce has obviously been having personal therapy sessions with Richie...

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PostSubject: Re: Supra State Concept in Fiction   Fri Nov 06, 2009 12:42 am

Unfortunately the only reason we are allowed to view "entertainment" fiction that features any mind control concepts at all is "The Revelation of the Method", predictive programming and preemptive coverup (public knowledge comes first from the fictional film than exposure to fact), all designed to maximise the Matrix's control and weaken our Resistance.

I just don't think the vast majority of assertions made by Fritz Springmeier are actually true, I KNOW the vast majority of his claims are true. I have studied the evil shitpit that is MK for 15 years and believe me, I wish the sensational tell-alls of supposedly "freed" "ex"Mind Kontrolled slaves were mostly fantasy, yet most tales are almost all true!
If one has a basic understanding of one's own psychology and can use logic then Fritz's propositions of trauma-based MK will eventually, no matter how horrific and "far-out", be seen as completely reasonable and beyond plausible, indeed very probable and expected. Once you know the common techniques to bear in mind while checking the mass media news you will be delighted to discover that the Programmers are laughing at you on a daily basis and the evidence of their Evil Machinations is blatant...

DON'T BELIEVE ME! Look for yourself. KNOW YOURSELF.
Very Happy
People who dismiss "The Manchurian Canditate" as a possibility are grossly arrogant and/or ignorant or well paid to lie.
Honest psychologists know that "Multiple Personality Disorder" (MPD, now DID, Dissociative Identity Disorder) has been well documented and insufficiently studied. The reason MPD gets so little attention from the shrinks and brain surgeons etc should be obvious but there will be some who don't click on to why straight away, so let me help:

IN FACT, THERE IS A GLOBAL MASONIC ELITE CONSPIRACY TO ENSLAVE EVERYONE. FACT. IN YOUR FACE. It's just Business.

Please, for the Love of anything whatsoever that might motivate you, AT LEAST DON'T COOPERATE WITH IT.
Oops! That would mean refusal of citizenship, taxes, losing most of your friends! Razz
I guess being gaoled or killed isn't high on your goal list... Laughing
I just thought a reality-based self-defence forum might be the place to find brains, bravery and balls... silly me!
You guys don't need my sermons... you are all switching on and secretly beavering away in infowar and intense chi kung to self-realise and save the world. Right? Wink Laughing
Razz Oh, I slay myself.

States of mind are contextually stored and thus accessible. So the more trigger cues the better... linkage.
Everything is harmonic resonance, don't you know?

Soldiers etc. usually report that they simply "reverted to training".

What we don't want to is to actually be overwhelmingly possessed by an evil psyche that makes mistakes.
This "evil" should be our tool, not become "us". We would rather be open and sensitive and balanced etc, even while shit is flying at us, lest we miss a vital point and fail in some way, physical, moral, spiritual...

I think there are a variety of personality types that spell "leave alone" to a wide spectrum of baddies.
For example, I loud and obviously crazy lurching foaming at the mouth kinda role would repel 99% of shit if played right. No-one wants to get involved with a crazy.
I have not given it much thought so not got any answers for you, chaps, sorry. Embarassed
I simply feel that projecting a menacing persona has subtle shades of variance and some masks would only worsen a situation while some would be optimal for differing environments.

Just do me a favour will ya? jocolor

KILL YOUR TV.
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PostSubject: Re: Supra State Concept in Fiction   Fri Nov 06, 2009 1:12 am

HAHAHA! That was a great rant, OH - you made a few great points in there.
Don't have much time to address them all now, but I agree with the idea that the 'leave well alone' signals come in a spectrum. A female friend of mine who lived in NYC in the 70s and 80s, when it was somewhat darker than it is now, had a couple of ploys to use if she felt a weird vibe, especially riding the subway at night. She said she would either start brushing imaginary hairs off her shoulder erratically and hiss and talk over her shoulder to some unseen person, or if it was some guy trying to pick her up, she would start to pick her nose very obviously and inspect the boogers and eat them. She said it worked like a charm to put guys off! affraid Laughing
Oh yeah, and kill your TV, fo' sure!

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PostSubject: Re: Supra State Concept in Fiction   Fri Nov 06, 2009 2:58 am

maija wrote:
HAHAHA! That was a great rant, OH - you made a few great points in there.
Don't have much time to address them all now, but I agree with the idea that the 'leave well alone' signals come in a spectrum. A female friend of mine who lived in NYC in the 70s and 80s, when it was somewhat darker than it is now, had a couple of ploys to use if she felt a weird vibe, especially riding the subway at night. She said she would either start brushing imaginary hairs off her shoulder erratically and hiss and talk over her shoulder to some unseen person, or if it was some guy trying to pick her up, she would start to pick her nose very obviously and inspect the boogers and eat them. She said it worked like a charm to put guys off! affraid Laughing
Oh yeah, and kill your TV, fo' sure!


Cheers!

I tried to send a righteous reply but it died in transit. You know, one day, when I have written quite a bit of some mad divine ranting sermon, I'll remember to cut n paste n save my rant in case the old Net lets me down. Shit! I had me some poetical truth to deliver and now I got squat! Oh well..

Glad your friend had acting gross and crazy down pat in her safety skillset. Cool.

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