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Blakops



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PostSubject: For Uk residents. Where your taxes go.   Tue Nov 03, 2009 1:53 pm

Read this please & pay attention to the seriousness of the sentence to the Policeman concerned.

Wish I could find the description of the original incident. Must have been pretty bad as the mag didnt even look at it twice.

http://www.thisisexeter.co.uk/news/Police-arrest-row-man-wins-appeal/article-1472328-detail/article.html

But fortunately getting drunk & fighting with policeman is vindicated as something you shouldnt even have to be charged over.

Evil or Very Mad

Some of you on this forum may get the impression that I am a right wing bigot. I am not, I am a realist & I like truth & fact to be the same thing.
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PostSubject: Re: For Uk residents. Where your taxes go.   Wed Nov 04, 2009 12:05 am

Welcome to the police state

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PostSubject: Re: For Uk residents. Where your taxes go.   Wed Nov 04, 2009 3:35 am

Oh please tell me that isn't true... It has to be a spoof.

Please tell me this isn't so.
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PostSubject: Re: For Uk residents. Where your taxes go.   Wed Nov 04, 2009 11:33 am

roadkill wrote:
Oh please tell me that isn't true... It has to be a spoof.

Please tell me this isn't so.


Talking about the video, Roadkill? There's a whole bunch of similar ones on the YT.
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PostSubject: Re: For Uk residents. Where your taxes go.   Wed Nov 04, 2009 3:10 pm

Sharif H wrote:
roadkill wrote:
Oh please tell me that isn't true... It has to be a spoof.

Please tell me this isn't so.


Talking about the video, Roadkill? There's a whole bunch of similar ones on the YT.


Yes the video, is it true you can be stopped and searched because of the reasons stated?
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PostSubject: Re: For Uk residents. Where your taxes go.   Thu Nov 05, 2009 2:33 pm

roadkill wrote:
Sharif H wrote:
roadkill wrote:
Oh please tell me that isn't true... It has to be a spoof.

Please tell me this isn't so.


Talking about the video, Roadkill? There's a whole bunch of similar ones on the YT.


Yes the video, is it true you can be stopped and searched because of the reasons stated?


Sorry for not getting back sooner my friend.

Yeah, it would seem that they can pretty much do whatever the hell they want as long is it's justified by the subjects of terrorism, or in this case, drugs.

Here's some more videos from this guy...

Outside the US embassy (ironically where one of my ex-instructors managed the security:

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PostSubject: Re: For Uk residents. Where your taxes go.   Thu Nov 05, 2009 2:37 pm

Gets threatened for saying 'shit' in a park. The officer comes in at 3:34 mins...



Admittedly, Charlie (the guy with the camera) can be a bit childish at times, but if you can look past that he's actually highlighting the beginnings of very serious issue
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PostSubject: Re: For Uk residents. Where your taxes go.   Thu Nov 05, 2009 2:42 pm

Sharif H wrote:
Admittedly, Charlie (the guy with the camera) can be a bit childish at times, but if you can look past that he's actually highlighting the beginnings of very serious issue



Couldn't agree more... in fact I felt compelled to leave a comment on this particular video.
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PostSubject: Re: For Uk residents. Where your taxes go.   Thu Nov 05, 2009 2:44 pm

I'm not a big fan of megaphones and creating a scene and such, but again, this vid highlights a problem. The police are there to protect us... but what threat does this man pose in order that the police should put him on 'the database'?

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PostSubject: Re: For Uk residents. Where your taxes go.   Thu Nov 05, 2009 7:11 pm

Its a depressing spiral. Soon you will only be able to move safely, by the video stream of someone filming you,cos your too busy, filming someone else, to look where your going.

My original post was because the injuries compensation this guy will claim, the court costs and a full years salary on suspension went on a facebook page & a drunk fighting some policeman outside a pub.

Yes, police state. Certainly getting that way.

Stop & search on suspicion of drugs. Dont think that was legal under PACT, lot of new stuff sneaked in. Or maybe they rely on people complying.

Terroism Act. Serious mis-use, was watching the parliamentary committee discuss it a few months ago, number of stop and searches was enormously bloated compared to the final arrest figure. Only thing I could find relating, bias site though, wish I could find the parliamentary report.


[url=http://docs.google.com/gview?a=v&q=cache:2hPxFJgtOCcJ:www.statewatch.org/analyses/no-23-uk-stop-and-search.pdf+greater+london+arrest+under+terroism+act+number&hl=en&gl=uk&pid=bl&srcid=ADGEESiVbLCErxFW1Xta8JulDofizWYn_6wmAKPqZK-AMOodMyUGK7Sbh26U8gDiqHqMKSO13N9jgYGk9a0PI1aQ_Irb-3GYFJajJayY9YuZTYOWT9AN93-6v6h53Hx9S-N6RDG-UtoE&sig=AFQjCNHAJBFTnKJECOCgn4GA9Linas1xiQ]http://docs.google.com/gview?a=v&q=cache:2hPxFJgtOCcJ:www.statewatch.org/analyses/no-23-uk-stop-and-search.pdf+greater+london+arrest+under+terroism+act+number&hl=en&gl=uk&pid=bl&srcid=ADGEESiVbLCErxFW1Xta8JulDofizWYn_6wmAKPqZK-AMOodMyUGK7Sbh26U8gDiqHqMKSO13N9jgYGk9a0PI1aQ_Irb-3GYFJajJayY9YuZTYOWT9AN93-6v6h53Hx9S-N6RDG-UtoE&sig=AFQjCNHAJBFTnKJECOCgn4GA9Linas1xiQ[/url


PCso's are a waste of space, if you want something done. A visible detterent to replace the bobby on the beat but all the BGs know their powerless. Its only the law abiding majority who would treat their enquiries with any respect. There only purpose is to soothe.

Yes, childish.

Sharif, you ever googled where I live? Exeter. We Had a guy last year, home grown terrorist, read austic, islamic convert try to detonate a bomb in a childrens cafe, called Giraffe, 1/2 a mile from my house. He was wiring it up in the toilets & the detonators went off in his hands.

Makes you wonder. What is the correct middle way?
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PostSubject: Re: For Uk residents. Where your taxes go.   Thu Nov 05, 2009 9:11 pm

Blakops wrote:
We Had a guy last year, home grown terrorist, read austic, islamic convert try to detonate a bomb in a childrens cafe, called Giraffe, 1/2 a mile from my house. He was wiring it up in the toilets & the detonators went off in his hands.


Some scary shit there...
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PostSubject: Re: For Uk residents. Where your taxes go.   Fri Nov 06, 2009 4:34 pm

roadkill wrote:
Blakops wrote:
We Had a guy last year, home grown terrorist, read austic, islamic convert try to detonate a bomb in a childrens cafe, called Giraffe, 1/2 a mile from my house. He was wiring it up in the toilets & the detonators went off in his hands.


Some scary shit there...


Too true brother.
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PostSubject: Re: For Uk residents. Where your taxes go.   Sun Nov 08, 2009 12:34 am

Hello everyone, not been on for a while, busy with work and car.

Personally I think we have neither the advantages a police state offers (less crime), or the advantages the police service of a true democracy should offer.

When we think of the Police I like to think of them out on the streets, stopping people and searching them. I'm happy to be searched (though I would question why and should be entitled to a truthful answer).

Reality is though, it seems that most decent people don't use the Police because they feel the Police will be busy attending 'serious' crime - In fact the Police will be dealing with minor disputes claimed by the 10% of our society that needs them to settle a score with each other, and don't have jobs or more pressing requirements.


One example of this is that I hesitated to call the Police when a group of lads were jumping on cars on our street. In the end I DID call 999.
The response time (at 1.30am) was 45mins. If they had arrived within 15 they would have cought the offenders red-handed. These were a group of drunk yobs, who were taking their time and basically meandering home. They weren't even thinking that they were committing a crime or could be arrested.
Anyway the van turned up eventually and I went outside. The first response of the female police officer was that no damage had been done. She promptly shone her torch on a car to demonstrate, and the beam fell on a pristine footprint of someone's boots.

No crime number was given because technically there was no victim - the car was not mine (they hadn't touched mine). this in turn means that they don't need to catch the offenders - If they had a crime number then they would need to find them to get a 'detection', i.e. a closed case.

But if they had turned up on time (I live in a small town and the roads were empty) they would have seen the print, and then turned the corner to be greeted by a group of 6 teenagers who were sat on the bridge near my house drinking bottles of lager. i'd imagine they'd have made an arrest.

(I didn't want to confront the lads because I couldn't see any advantages in doing it. they'd just make twice the effort next time).

So in short - no crime occurred (no number), which means that technically my street is the most peaceful street ever (on paper).


I went a bit off-topic there, but that's my Police story lol. I would much prefer them to be on the streets, taking names (even my name). Instead they'll be chasing up ghost cases, for instance text message threats, and spending hours filling in the paperwork.

Hrrrrumphhh. I'm actually considering joining. I could live with the bullshit as long as I didn't kid myself it'd mean anything to the average briton. You get a Public Service pension.



Edit: I'm not keyed up on the tricky subject of prejudice, but it's obvious in my town who the little shits are that need searching. For a start they all deliberately dress like criminals to get respect or look 'hard' (i.e. chavs). To any trained eye i'm sure it's easy to see who's acting suspicious. If it happens to be a certain class, race , or religion then so be it. Totally undefendable in our society though - that would be a prejudiced method of policing. Despite the fact that in some cases it might actually reduce real crime (I'm not talking about Shannon ketting offensive texts off her ex-bf Darren).
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PostSubject: Re: For Uk residents. Where your taxes go.   Sun Nov 08, 2009 9:14 pm

When seconds count, the police are only minutes away.

Their role has changed to cataloguing rather than dealing with an incident.
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PostSubject: Re: For Uk residents. Where your taxes go.   Wed Nov 11, 2009 9:44 pm

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Did you know theres department of the police called the CID which stands for criminal investigations department?

Surely thats what all police should be doing anyway isn't it?



Theres also an "anti crime" unit, makes you wonder what the rest of the cunts do all day
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