blackops, thanks for the very interesting info, i wasnt aware that gnostic was applied to non christian teachers.As far as i know gnostics preached finding "knowledge within"Thus many different types could be considered as such I would imagine.Thnaks for that info.I learned something new

Danite & Ritchie. Really enjoyed this thread. Now about xmas trees.......

Reading through here it appears some of you guys are quite read and educated on this.

I will throw in 2 cents, I apologize if this was mentioned already, but amongst many books, and much more, I saw one particular "documentary" that I found most interesting and informative.

If you haven't already seen this, check it out. It's very interesting...

http://www.zeitgeistmovie.com/

Of course, take it with a grain of salt, nothing is absolute in this. But nonetheless, it's very interesting.....