The "Buccaneer Scholar", 'self education' for adults..?

Richard Grannon wrote:

is the lack of a like minded tribe what causes forums like this to flourish? are we looking to rebalance a missing natural state?

tribe = recognition, status, attention, sginificance, a role, a function... a "place"

a tribeless society, typical urban environment , gives you huge amounts of access to a variety of people but its all irrevelant without the above needs being met I think

now, back to bed

okay, that was a catalyst for me. i've studied cultures, subcultures, etc...in my previous incarnation as an anthropology
major...almost entirely because i was always dodging between groups offering only a wee bit of overlap in terms of
commonality. they just didn't mix/mesh and i ended up a cultural broker--feeling that i could relate to everyone, but identify
with no one, except you lot. go figure?

there has to be a reason that i've checked out loads of similarly themed forums and thought...naw, either this is sh&^ or i'm just not feeling it and don't know why. no inspiration. no impetus to explore and evolve. just a bunch of individuals and some duo and trios that act like cliques. shared agreements and bolstered views based on consentual back pats by way of credentials and alpha pecking orders and whatever else. god comlexes, quirky hierarchical tribes that evolved in a linear
fashion that hide under the sign, "if it ain't broke, don't fix it"...but what if it ain't broke because it ain't been used recently.
okay that was too cryptic, but i'm trying not to break my cardinal rule which is, "fook paying attention to that which isn't inspiring and thought inducing, i'll simply bypass it and stay on my own track and see who is still around whilst i grow and learn. i'd rather face the sun and grow, than waste time looking back over and feeling self congratulatory.

in short. whatever this is, it's not a coincidence that like flowing water, some land forms were avoided in the natural course toward water level. those that are left are meant to be in this shared space of forward motion. those that are here enjoy the journey way more than some fixed point or ending.

we are the zen cultural equivalent of thuggish intellectuals--okay now i'm actually just laughing to myself, looking for the words. my daughter just woke up. that's my que to leave.
god speed.

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I suspect there is something instinctual in us humans that seeks to create alliances - on a basic survival level, your odds go up if you are part of a group, right?
The Yi Ching or Book of Changes, said to be created by the Zhou people around 1000 BCE talks a great deal about the wisdom of creating alliances and of people working together, and how it creates the path to prosperity - so obviously people have been thinking about this for a long time. (.... not that tribalism is always a good thing of course, because when you have 'us', you also get 'them', but I digress ...)
(Way) Back in the day, there was only 'your people' against the vagaries of nature so there were no options. No trust necessary - blood was blood. To have a strong alliance or tribe, you have to believe that you are all on the same side, and perhaps virtual alliances are the modern way to find common ground and find out who you can trust to leap in with you to bring down that Mastodon!
Nowadays you can choose your tribe, not be born into it, but that has both up and down sides, mostly I think due to this 'trust' issue, and it is for sure harder to identify in modern day urban living.
Perhaps forums like this give you the TIME necessary to make decisions about which group you can trust, and thus want to be part of, to up your chances of survival ...?

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I'm sorry, i'm a bit lost here. Is the message that we are acting in a natural way as members of a 'tribe' sort of group? Or is it that the absence of the 'tribe' mentality is making us get on?

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maybe both, maybe neither

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Western man could start by reconstituting the familly for what it was originally intended.A co-operative self help group.Lets see if we can manage that much!