I'm seriously intrigued. What evidence? The vid?

& incidentally, is the sky going to fall in on our heads?

The conspiracy that the rich want to stay rich? The conspiracy that the world has been continually at war for well over a century, that though the battlefields & soldiers & those in charge change but that the fight for resources & by extension power continue?
Its all lizards anyway.

PS I believe Kennedy was refering to the communist system not the CIA.

'It has been said that democracy is the worst form of government except all the others that have been tried.'
Sir Winston Churchill
British politician (1874 - 1965)

Danite, you beauty, I was going to say that. I forgot to add it.

Maija, even more beautiful , who can argue with Winnie

Sharif, the reason that Governments overreact to health scares is very similar to the matrix video that Maija posted last week on why we should act on Global warming. Because the consequences of not acting, if a worst case scenario should happen are truly horrific.

& in the case of a pandemic like Spanish Flu, 50,000,000 estimated deaths, worldwide,in 1917/1918 before the introduction of cheap travel & hopping halfway round the globe in 24 hours as we can today.

That is the fear.

Do you think Smallpox was a minor irritant? That the Great pox, syphilis was a minor STD?

That the Black Death was just something that happened in the past?

And while health is on the agenda & because I am seriously interested, you will be having your son vaccinated, wont you?

And i assume that you had vaccinations before you travelled to the Phillipines? I assume that Ritchie has.

Bugs strive to live as much as you do. & they have advantages of reproduction rate , that you do not. & unfortunately we & they and everything alive, lives in a world where survival is at the expense of other organisms.

I can't to do the quotes thing. So bear with me.

Do you think, having spoken with us all as you have before that we are all reliant only on the current media & govt, to provide our information. i would say that most people on here are widely knowledgeable on a whole host of topics that are not usually covered through just the news, Govt advice or interweb.

Secondly, I like empirical evidence. I feel it is fundamental for me to have a reasonable view that something is the truth, and the evidence will sway me in that direction. If it can be demonstrably supported 99.9% of the time then I will tend to trust it.

Incidentally. I'm not fighting you. This is a discussion, not an attack


The reason I ask about vaccination, is because it directly links to the question of health & no offence but I have yet to google the original video that you put up & Identify the chap speaking. What sort of MD is/was he? An American private practice doctor complaining that the govt might involve themselves in his business? Even if he was a senator.

On MMR have you looked at the evidence? There have been very large & comprehensive studies since the original hoo-haa, which have shown pretty conclusively that MMR is 99.9% safe & has no link to autism. (99.9% is pretty standard for all medicines, its not a perfect world & nothing can be guaranteed 100%)

the safety of MMR doesnt seem to be that well known though, does it? I watched some daft bitch from GMTV blathering about the dangers on Question Time a little while ago so you obviously support some mainstream media, mate cos your in agreement with them.

& mainstream media pushed the panic. But has done little to push the truth.

Vaccination saves lives. It allowed us to remove smallpox from the natural world & if you want to find out about the dangers of disease, research that one in particular.

Vaccination protects populations by stopping outbreaks emanating non-vaccinated people. Non-vaccinated people put populations at risk from virulent pathogens by carrying them & introducing them to the young, the old & the week.

Find someone in their late 50,s & ask them about polio. But that was in the past right? Couldnt happen now?

The reason that we all have such long & healthy lives in the western world is a lot to do with vaccination, as a self defence instructor surely you must see that prevention is better than a cure.

And you can post all the vids you like & I will watch them BUT that is not evidence. It is opinion & usually very poorly backed up evidence wise, desperately trying to create links between disparate things which apart from being on the same planet, are in no way related.

We are not communicating on different levels, we are communicating on the same level, we are just seeing things differently.

Or maybe your right....& I am trapped in the matrix, providing power for the machines.

I would certainly be very interested in where you get your information from.

Hope we are still cool



Matt

& ill tell yu where i got the name from (Blakops) at some point. It is a very dull story

Holy crap.... this was from a seasonal shot

Wow, that's scary. I was planning on taking the little one for the H1N1 shot today. The local health department finally got a shipment of the vaccine, available only to children and at-risk people. I don't usually do seasonal flu shots because they're just guessing as to which strain will show up that year, but since this is specifically for H1N1 and we've had cases diagnosed in the area, I thought I'd take him. That video is giving me pause, though.

Sharif, it might help if you told us who you think is really "in charge".Who is the force in the shadows controlling things without our knowledge?

A horrible freak occurence. Did I say 99.9% safe? I think I did.

Personally, I would not take the flu vaccine because I am not in the at risk group. If you have kids........well, I guess it is a personal choice. Depends on their age & general health, & what you judge the risk to be as a parent.

I am wondering why a young & fit young women had the shot anyway? Still awful for her, she has my sympathy.

Now Roadkill, can we have some vids of traffic accidents to prove all cars are deadly

Your a Diamond!

Got my son staying & gonna put on a movie. So If I dont speak to you again, please have a great weekend camping & take it easy.




Matt

Just to clarify... I didn't mean anything by the vaccine reaction video, conspiracy or otherwise. It was pure coincidence that I came across it while this discussion was taking place, so I posted it. That is obviously an extremely rare reaction and it was rather startling as to the reaction the girl is having from the vaccine. I mean she can't walk forward, but can run and walk backwards, very strange.

Blackops... the camping is next weekend

Mike2010 -
Head right on to, perhaps, the off topic section and feel free to start a thread. I think the issues have cross over points ... so who knows, threads may tend to merge anyways.
As everyone knows, the written word is a limited medium for conversation, so issues that attract strong opinions are a dodgy field on this 'ere interweb thingy.
So far so good here - I think there seems to be a general understanding that the conclusions are not the main agenda here, just bigger brains.