Danite, quite agree, with weapons drills, I, at times, become absolutely attached to the thing to the detriment of just escaping. Wrestling for control rather than freeing a hand and beating my way to freedom.

Right on another note, I listened to the supra-states .wma in the last hour. Given me something to work on.

A bit weird actually cos it mirrored a lot of the posts I wrote earlier, classical conditioning etc (course it would you dolt!)
Was aimed at mid 30's in parts & Ritchie, you have a career on the comedy circuit if you ever want it, they need a cleaner
& the channel 4 show was Faking It.

Excellent actually, very glad I bought it, now what to call my new friend?

I am very much looking forward to the postal delivery coming next week.

Hey Black Ops,I agree with the escapes, but try to work out "what if I can escape" situations.Try practicing hanging on to the arms with one or two hands and using your knees , head butts and biting, it will make for interesting training!!I havent had a chance to check out rishies latest material yet, but no doubt its good stuff.Regards Just another idea, when you "bite" your partner growl loud, when someone feels and hears it for the first time it usually gets a good little flinch a freeze for a second that you can use.Enjoy!

All good stuff Danite which. not being rude we do include,bite growling and all. I quite often use that for headlock escapes. it's remebering to do the bloody thing when the adrenaline is pumping!

Example, I was armed with a padded baton, had head guard & gloves & was facing 2 attckers in full stick fighting pads, The goal was to simply strike and evade, for the duration of the drill. With that amount of padding & a padded baton, they were able to close quickly & I was going batshit, I promise you. One managed to grab the baton & was trying to force me into the corner so his partner & he could work on me. It took what felt like an absolute eternity to wrestle with him for control of the weapon with both hands, when i woke up, released with 1 hand, heavy palmed him. He released the stick, I struck him on the head, a few times, I think. & moved around him & struck the other but wasnt trapped, few seconds later i am wrestling for the ownership of the stick again, wasting time, energy & space & manoverability & getting wedged, having to fight myself out. Its the getting stuck in a loop of inappropriate action, where your Lizard brain, subconcious whatever you want to call it, says "This is working cos nothing bad has happened yet, keep doing it"

I then had a little accident and had to sit out the the final 2 drills.

Final drill (a warm down if you like) was the classic Krav Maga crowd drill, where you are surrounded at 2 paces & attack the pads full force for a minute, then the ring steps 1 pace in, & another minute of anything goes on the pads. Then the crush & they batter you & you fight it for another min before trying to breakout. People get stuck in loops, where they will wrestle only 1 or several guys & forget the object was escape, even with a BIG obvious exit right beside or behind them. So adrenalised they are blinkered!! I am sure you see this a lot with new people, where you train. incidentally I usually rhino out of this one. Head down & O'Neill cover with both arms & try to smash two people through the chest on the way out. Works for me

I really appreciate the advice though. Please keep it coming, it's all really useful. Would be nice to find a few like minded people here where I live to run these things in my own time. I understand to a degree why we dont do them in normal training, new people constantly starting etc, but can be frustrating when you see the improvement in people from things like this compared to just working through a technique over & over with a compliant partner.

Hey BlackOps, hope you dont mind me giving some ideas, I like to share what i think might be helpful to like minded self defence nuts like us on this forum!!.So in the same spirit may I suggest not fighting over the stick,ignoring it and attacking the attacker?Sounds like you do some good training, and yes doing the kind of training you describe , people advance very quickly and in a well grounded way.its funny how so many martial artists simply dont train the way they are going to fight.REgards

Danite, Blackops

any chance of some video clips of the training tips maybe?

I like seeing people train and it gives me a chance to put faces to names, if you could it would be cool

Ritchie, the bash night got videoed, actually cos I asked! I had forgotten to take my own camera Carl gave me the SD card which is sat beside me, I am supposed to be converting it to dvd but , of course, cant find my card reader. Gonna have to borrow my sisters later today. I am going to convert the avi to dvd & hand them round at training so we can all have a look.

Never really done any video editing, plan is too teach myself this week & put up a 10 min version on youtube.

Not sure anyone would really want to see my mug mate, I look like Phil Elmore with a tape worm.

DANITE,
that thing you said about [brain fart: i'll try and paraphrase] believing in the system
first, the you'll draw from it with confidence. nice mate. that's the thing about wild trainings.
you get instant self awareness, and instant critical analysis. i never had confidence in
TKD or Shotokan--it is still a mystery to me, even as i had a black belt in the system.

i always had more confidence simply rough housing with a friend. suddenly everything falls
into place. then scenarios and strike training. i can't believe i did the other stuff for so long.
i'm almost miffed.

nice exchanges BTW: i'm only now getting to read them after a busy domestic dad, etc...weekend


Blakops-a.k.a. Matt,
Phil Elmore with tapeworm
sounds hot for any young ladies reading
your trainings sound great, don't even think of not posting.
i mirroir Richie's sentiment. lets get past the ugly mug stage,
see clips and face, and keep slowly merging and growing.
i challenge anyone to feel uncomfortable after looking at
my aesthetically-challenged features. i've given up on my
big dream to be the handsom'ist man on earth, i'll settle for
the shittiest looking potato-bug eating toothless halfwitt--a close
second but i'll have to live with it.
BTW: just read about your bad experience at 21, don't know about
the rest of us, but i reckon you're in good company...and turned it
into a catalyst for something great. those things are so shocking, they
either make or break one--nothing in between.

Richie,
hiya [of dark renown...made my day...you really know how to make
a goul feel nice ]. speaking of gouls, i accompanied my son
on his 'trick-or-treating', in the fooking rain [but then i'm ex'pat, so i
was better off than most], and i decided that i should go in costume
as well. i wore a wig and was calling myself Donald Trump
problem was that i looked like the average drunken working class guy
in my neighborhood, hmmm
it's a costume people!!! stop giving me change for booze

i know i've threatened to put up a clip, but it's because i'm so technologically
inept that i've been relying on the promising of a flamboyant techno nerd at
my school who promises to do many things and ultimately 'fusses' and
sasheys around hoping all will hear his aimless mental wanderings and
feel, uhm, empathy/empressed/amused [pick one]. but i'll try just so you can
see my deranged lot that i train with. i'm hoping to add me and my mate
abusing each other if nothing other than for entertainment purposes. issues.

i had the time to type this morning--at work, because i opted out of the
morning meeting, which envariably gives one all sorts of valuabel information
like 'who got a birthday this week', and 'are there any furthor announcements'.

Richie--any chance of a relay for some of your adventures/trainings/anecdotes
for the landlocked and envious among us

Mark Liverio is one of my top students, great guy and he has some really good martial talent. Caught me off guard when I heard his name.

Richard you asked a lot of questions on the video, so here it goes.

Yes

No

Yes

Yes, if it was a Thursday

Yes

Maybe

Yes

No

Yes


Just kidding… Over all I would have to agree, that yes conditioning works, but to the degree that I will totally wig out and kill the person next to me at the mall when I hear the word smegma. I seriously doubt it would work to that level. I think you can give a person a particular mental state such as anger with a trigger and physical manifestation like a belly ache. Maybe one could go that far with extreme conditioning that would include some really good drugs.

Hi Richie, far too busy with house moving , buisness and familly stuff to make a video, in afct I havent trained at all over the past two months I have been so busy.However when I can finally sort all this reality buisness out and return to what I love doing, I will see what I can do.

Black Ops , Russ and Richie, how many times have I seen a well trained black belt martial artist or even MMA fighter get totaly flabbergasted when we do unscripted scenarios.The MMA guy though tough as nails , stands there with his hands down chest out trying to out macho the" bad guy" who then touches him on the shoulder to draw his attention then sucker punches him, or pulls a training knife jumps on him , holds him with one arm and proceeds to crazy with the knife.They stand there in amazement, all their fitness and skill just got side stepped.I have heard many who studied TMA say "wow I feel I know how to defend myself for real , and just after a few months"This type of training opened my eyes, in fact I remember the day.it was after some seriously brutal shit, I came out of there on another planet and stood on the street, and an illumination came welled up IN me, and I said to myself "oh so thats what they mean" from then on I have been convinced iron clad that the methods of training and fighting we engage in are The Way! Regards to all.

Right well made up 2 copies of the dvd after a little editing. Just deleted any non-action, navel gazing or the cameraman's feet. (Why do they do that.)

Watching again I'm actually not that embarrassed, its not as hardcore as it could have been but we had 3 dropouts due to injury in the course of the evening (me being one in the final 20 mins), Some of the individuals doing the drills act very well & some dont. (Not saying where I am;-)) Watched myself get a bloody nose, punched in the groin, (thankyou groin guard, i love you) & double leg takedown which f******* hurt! This was over a 3 hour period from 6.30 until 9.30, when where we train closes.

Me with a stick against two is almost nothing like I remember it, but i dont go down, keep me feet & control my space quite well, if you saw me you would know that that is a major achievement.

I will try & post these on youtube as I am thinking of opening a Channel for Devon Krav Maga. It will be a learnig experience for me & Carl can keep the Channel & probably attract more custom.

Rus, was going to say that you could record with a camera phone. Have you asked your students? Bet they are techno savvy, they are yoofs, are'nt they?

Anyway Bugger making a new channel I am going to post one to my account to test, then I will post it & you can all view & then i will receive endless slagging critiscism from you horrible lot

Ok done. Here is the first one. I am the stick wielder.

EDIT. I've opened a new thread. Didnt want to monopolise this one.