elbows, knees--wicked style

Subject: elbows, knees--wicked style Thu Jun 11, 2009 5:41 pm

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QKr8Uz27PGY&feature=related

very intriguing...
i especially like the littler moves--roughly and raggedly applied as moves
within moves

check out this telly quest thingy also

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yemV8pQYIlE&feature=related

and this bloke with his instructional on striking--drawing from the history

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9JlEgAnFYQQ&feature=related

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Subject: Re: elbows, knees--wicked style Fri Jun 12, 2009 2:15 pm

awesome stuff Russ thanks for posting that Smile

Elbows and knees have to be the hardest points you can strike with. You can do things with your elbows and knees without even feeling it that could normally break your hands.

This style has a lot of street applications, just watching them practice, it could be a street kata as well. cheers

I miss doing kickboxing... can't wait til I'm done with this move !! I cna get back to training

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Nice stuff. Looks like slightly more spicy Muay Thai. Knees are peculiar things. Bumping your knee can hurt like a bitch. Other times there's nothing. One time at work a couple years ago I was getting up after coffee break to put on my boots. So I lift up my leg going completely on habit, but the corner of the table is in the way. Sending the whole damn thing jumping up and away with a loud bang and the rattle of tablecrap. Bone on wood. I immediately thought "shit, this one is going to hurt." But there was absolutely no feeling whatsoever. Like beating something with a stick. Not even numbness. Just normal, as if nothing at all had happened. Very odd... Laughing

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RichardB wrote:

Knees are peculiar things. Bumping your knee can hurt like a bitch. Other times there's nothing.

I really like the idea of using knees at close range (obviously) BUT i've used this before in training and been hurt myself, once with a partner and once solo. I don't know whether i have weak knees or incorrect technique but the injuries have been enough to discontinue the use of the leg for the duration of a potential fight/training period.

So do you use the knee cap (front of knee while in chamber position) or top of the knee (the "ledge" that is made when a leg is chambered) or is it dependant on the target?

The top of the knee would be good for hard targets (head, face) however if the knee is incorrectly placed (hitting the target with the upper part of the thigh) the muscle will cushion the blow.

The front of the knee would be good for softer targets (stomach, ribs?, thigh) but if this is incorrectly placed then damage can occur. Also softer targets aren't a priority outside of a sporting environment.

Have I overcomlicated a simple technique here? Maybe it's just me and i should rule out the use of knees myself?

Subject: Re: elbows, knees--wicked style Fri Jun 26, 2009 3:06 am

anytime I've used a knee strike it's been with the knee cap while my leg is bent. Personally this feels similar in impact to an elbow strike... ie, I don't feel anything really Smile

personally I wouldn't want to land a strike with the lower part of the thigh where it meets the knee since a charlie horse type injury can hurt for days.

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RichardB wrote:

Nice stuff. Looks like slightly more spicy Muay Thai. Knees are peculiar things. Bumping your knee can hurt like a bitch. Other times there's nothing. One time at work a couple years ago I was getting up after coffee break to put on my boots. So I lift up my leg going completely on habit, but the corner of the table is in the way. Sending the whole damn thing jumping up and away with a loud bang and the rattle of tablecrap. Bone on wood. I immediately thought "shit, this one is going to hurt." But there was absolutely no feeling whatsoever. Like beating something with a stick. Not even numbness. Just normal, as if nothing at all had happened. Very odd... Laughing

I have an opinion (quelle surprise!)- I opine that knees dont mind flat surfaces (bottom of the table), but hate edged surfaces (edge of doorframe)

Technics- I think its all down to the target mate, I dont think you should need to hit with your thigh as DMB says it can really hurt, I did a thai pad session with an instructor a few weeks ago and he kept chopping the edge of these hard thai pads into my thigh just above the knee every time I did a knee and it hurt like a biatch- you should be totally safe kneeing into the head with the point

how did you injure yourself mate? can u be more specific? you might have "weak knees", Ive never heard of it but I suppose its possible.

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Richard Grannon wrote:

how did you injure yourself mate? can u be more specific? you might have "weak knees", Ive never heard of it but I suppose its possible.

Ok the first time was in a class, a guy shoot in for a takedown as i was about to throw a puch kick. His face hit the front of my knee cap whyile it was in chamber position. I couldn't partisipate for the rest of the session and it affect my walk for about a week. The second was when i was practising knees on a disused office chair (lol, proper training equipment!) to get use to kicking and kneeing a hard surfice. The chair has a tool slightly curved back which is hard with a little padding. While wacking me knees into this they began to hurt and i wasnt using anywhere near full power. As i said maybe it's me but using my kneecap on a something hard is going to be a no-no for me Mad

Knees don't have to be conditioned like shins do they?

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D.M.B. wrote:

anytime I've used a knee strike it's been with the knee cap while my leg is bent. Personally this feels similar in impact to an elbow strike... ie, I don't feel anything really Smile

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Hmm... Sounds like the tendons in the area got affected. Maybe the answer is delivering it more like a tight package? It could actually be seen as an exampe of you being hit in a soft state, in a limited sense. As you were throwing a push kick, when he decided to hit your leg with his face. Laughing

Conditioning is IMO something that can easily lead to regrets. Be careful. Don't listen to the martial arts mythology, look to sports medicine for advice on that kind of stuff.

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Subject: Re: elbows, knees--wicked style Fri Jun 26, 2009 2:43 pm

Richard Grannon wrote:

RichardB wrote:

Nice stuff. Looks like slightly more spicy Muay Thai. Knees are peculiar things. Bumping your knee can hurt like a bitch. Other times there's nothing. One time at work a couple years ago I was getting up after coffee break to put on my boots. So I lift up my leg going completely on habit, but the corner of the table is in the way. Sending the whole damn thing jumping up and away with a loud bang and the rattle of tablecrap. Bone on wood. I immediately thought "shit, this one is going to hurt." But there was absolutely no feeling whatsoever. Like beating something with a stick. Not even numbness. Just normal, as if nothing at all had happened. Very odd... Laughing

I have an opinion (quelle surprise!)- I opine that knees dont mind flat surfaces (bottom of the table), but hate edged surfaces (edge of doorframe)

Technics- I think its all down to the target mate, I dont think you should need to hit with your thigh as DMB says it can really hurt, I did a thai pad session with an instructor a few weeks ago and he kept chopping the edge of these hard thai pads into my thigh just above the knee every time I did a knee and it hurt like a biatch- you should be totally safe kneeing into the head with the point

how did you injure yourself mate? can u be more specific? you might have "weak knees", Ive never heard of it but I suppose its possible.

noooo, lol. That's not what I meant. I'd never hit with my thigh, anywhere... at all! lol. It hurts everytime.... the only thing I do with a knee would be using the knee cap. Exclamation

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Quote:

I dont think you should need to hit with your thigh as DMB says it can really hurt

DMB that should be read in internal dialogue as

Quote:

I dont think you should need to hit with your thigh...(pause) as DMB says: it can really hurt

soz for not being clear like Razz

Technics, I remember you've brought this up here before about the guy headbutting your knee and injuring it, without being there I think if I give you an opinion it will only confuse you more

you can hit hard surfaces with the point of the knee I think provided they are flat relavtive to your knee cap (the skull falls into this category) and have give in them

a wall is flat, but has no "give"... head is attached neck and so has "give" in it

only place that should hurt really is knee to point of elbow or sometimes to shin

as RB said you might have some ligament damage there

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